Universal Basic Income . Elite Neo Liberals just not getting it!


Commented Roger Lewis MAR 10, 2017
The first experiment of this nature was Mincome in Canada in the seventies. It was a great success. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mincome
With respect to financing UBI, the point is that Money can be distributive at the point of creation and in the case of UBI should be.
We can learn a lot from the Swiss referendum on Citizens Income as discussed here.
´However, the nearly universal misunderstanding of money is a major obstacle. For too long we’ve allowed a small coterie of bankers and “court economists” to hold the secrets and “tutor” us. So, it’s time for total openness.
First, regarding the claim that the Swiss proposal would’ve been too costly, what’s entirely omitted from the discussion is that the proposal (and similar proposals elsewhere) appear to call for re-distribution of existing money—taking money from certain sectors through taxation and re-allocating it to the people-at-large.
The implication is that the money supply is basically static and that re-distributing limited funds would require tough budget decisions—sparking tax hikes and associated spending increases in several areas; hence the claim “costs too much.”
But a successful basic income plan can and must be based on the creation of new money, or “distributism,” not on reshuffling existing money, which is “re-distributism.” That’s the “state secret” that no one wants to touch.´´http://leconomistamascherato.blogspot.se/…/basic-income-let…
I had a dialogue with Clive Lord a Founder member of the Green Party of England and Wales last year. The authors of this article could no much worse than re-visit their monetary Theory and Monetary History.
”The value of goods,
expressed in money, is called “prices,” while the value of money, expressed in goods, is
called “value.” p.49 (Commercial Capitalism) Quiqqley shows how Bankers make the distinction and real power lays in the Value of money and not the prices of goods.
on how debt and credit creation effects aggregate demand is summed up in this argument. In my poem, this is the not even wrong part.
”A counterfeit Nobel laureate, there’s an irony.
Denies that in money there can be a place that Gertrude stein called there, home once but no longer there, there in Oakland. A precursor to some sub prime heritage.
A speaker of truth to power could follow Pauli ´Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es is nicht einmal falsh!
”Not even wrong, not even there.
All counterfeit, yet to counterfeit the counterfeit? a crime.
What of the shepherd of this unruly nothing,
where will they pen and fence this pack of wolves?
Will they dress this pack of cards in sheep’s clothing.
Limit the herd a need for Golden standards.
Prudence of sound Money and even sounder usury.
Fix the price and patronise those who will honour the thievery. A mechanism to harmonise silent ballot boxes.
A gentleman from Belgium would complement his single currency. Unruled and unruly sets a course for austerity on a continent many times at war. A fight of 11 rounds.
Spread like a cancer through the development of continents, enabling the killing called wars. That increase the debt and centralise the money power.
Quiggly shewed the tragedy, little hope it seemed,
blind faith in capitalisms harlot. That Babylonian whore.
At first a mere money trick for ragged trousered philanthropy. With usury, take away whats not even yet been paid. Ruskin would see wealth as that which is valuable in the hands of the valiant. Real goods sustain and wealth succours. Usurious money is but an unmade claim and worse. No banker has earned that newly minted note that hangs discordant in the air, as apt to rob as to pay.
How obscure this obscurant cult of mammon.
What smoke screened hall of mirrors.
How obese and gluttonous the leviathan of usury.
Austerity for the likes of you and I.
More banqueting and evacuated vomit spews from the sceptred top table. Corrupt in patronage and jealousy of power. Overstuffed with greed and thirsty for more.”



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Commented Roger Lewis MAR 10, 2017
The first experiment of this nature was Mincome in Canada in the seventies. It was a great success. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mincome
With respect to financing UBI the point is that Money can be distributive at the point of creation and in the case of UBI should be. …

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Is the Green Party of England and Wales Liberal? It is a lot of things one of which is incredibly naive.  Ric…




Is the Green Party of England and Wales Liberal?





Is the Green Party of England and Wales Liberal?
It is a lot of things one of which is incredibly naive. 
Richard Johnson
There’s gap in the political market place for a real radical Left alternative and now would be a very good time to start talking about a genuine eco-socialist party because neither the Green Party or the Labour Party qualify.
The Green Party is a radical liberal party that won’t touch class politics with a barge pole despite the fact that the elites support and participate in a culture of massive over consumption, politically they support the hydro carbon economy and their militarism is highly destructive. If the Green Party is going to achieve its objectives their power MUST be broken.
The cynical and well orchestrated destruction of Jeremy Corbyn’s reputation by the media and the Labour Party political elites proves yet again that the Labour Party is a grave yard for any kind of politics that is not totally safe for the establishment and if, as seems likely, Labour lose the next election we are faced with the total marginalisation of radical progressive politics at a time when the living world needs massive change from our species.
Being in my mid fifties I’ve seen all this before. Surely there has to be a better way than this constant cycle of defeat for the radical Left? and if we believe that only far reaching revolutionary change is going to stabilise our relationships with ourselves and the rest of the living world then we need to find that way.
Personally I don’t believe that today’s radical Left are the worthy representatives of a vital body of political ideas. We need much greater self belief and with that confidence will come a capacity for critical introspection. Only the best is good enough for the hugely difficult task of transforming society and we now need to go through a process of development in order find our best form, establishing our own political space is an obvious starting point.



Gav Electrofried

Gav Electrofried to what end?

There’s the alliance for green socialism which sounds like what you’re after, but they’re in no danger of getting anyone elected to anything any time soon.

Donnachadh McCarthy
Donnachadh McCarthy ROFL are you a troll?
Sure destroy the only effective voice for ecological sanity and the corporations and oiligarchies will love you…
Such a destructive posting. Divide and conquer…
I am with Occupy – the 99% need to unite to tackle the huge destructive power of the 1% and create a 100%.
Even if you were right, in an electoral system that makes it near impossible for the Green Party to get even one MP, such an approach would ensure Brexit Ukip Tories remain in power ad infinitum.
Peter Barlow
Peter Barlow The Scottish Greens do address class issues but are careful not to allow their opponents to accuse them of obsessing with spite and ‘loony-left’ policies.
In order for a Left party to get votes it must find a way to avoid the wrath of the Neoliberal media.

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Andy Sweeney

Andy Sweeney It is essential that we achieve greater unity and are willing to make compromises if we want to achieve changes fuelled by a green-driven left wing agenda.

This isn’t going to happen with even more splintering and the birth of yet another political party. We already have the framework in place in established parties, but we need less partisan attitudes, less intransigence on the minority issues when agreement can be made about the majority.

When you get thousands (if not millions) of people together, coming to a consensus is virtually impossible. The worst thing people can do when the party does not follow their exact agenda is to leave and try to “go it alone” with like minded individuals.

The whole reason the Tory party are so successful, despite all of their dismal failures and environmental/economic shortsightedness, is because they unify under the tribalism of conservatism when it comes down to it.

More left wing parties aren’t going to solve this particular problem.

Stíofán Carthaigh
Stíofán Carthaigh It’s the fools gold of Corbyn’s Labour, that is the main reason, the bourgeois elements in the Greens are growing in confidence again. The left had control of that party, and then run to Labour. What Corbyn is offering is nationalist Labourism, which is neither green nor left.
Neil Wagstaff
Neil Wagstaff If Green Left were a political party, I’d join that in preference to the Green Party any day! There is a class issue in GPEW, which came to the fore during the referendum. There was no way I could campaign to stay in the neoliberal, capitalist EU, and favoured Jenny Jones’s position, not Lucas, nor anyone else. In fact, when I mentioned this on Shahrar Ali’s Timeline he deleted my post.
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Bob Waugh

Bob Waugh A few weeks ago I came across an old copy of “Beyond the Fragments” . Read it the other day. It’s an interesting historical document, not least as it springs form the issue feminists faced in their interface with the “revolutionary” (and not so revolutSee More

Philip Leicester

Philip Leicester In our political system there are no gaps for any radical political party. The real fight is to secure our democracy before a permanent neoliberal lock-in occurs (and yeah whilst I’m at it, if you think exiting a neoliberal EU, handing total power to the extreme fundamentalist neoliberal Tory/UKIP alliance in the absence of any real democracy has done the British Working Class any favours, Neil then yeah please form another party.)

I don’t think the GP is averse to doing class politics; our good intention is reflected in many of our policies, particularly on trade union/workers rights, workplace democracy, pay, taxation and welfare.

The real problem is we’re all floundering, even Labour is floundering. We do not know how to listen to the concerns of working people, and no idea how to communicate our politics or argue why the new and old right right have no solutions to their concerns, but we do. And, as far as being of and for the working class we’re clearly miles away.

We know that the working class have never acted in isolation; the roles of middle and upper class activists, academics, cultural theorists etc who are allies in the emancipation of the working class is as relevant today as it ever was. Now is not the time to fragment, but to pull together.

Neil Wagstaff
Neil Wagstaff Perhaps, we have a party already in Left Unity? In the Netherlands, the Green Party there joined forces with other leftist parties and formed Groenlinks (trans. “Green Left”), which is now doing quite well in the Dutch polls. I read the Left Unity 2015 election manifesto and it was almost identical to the GPEW one, so perhaps Left Unity should merge with the Green Party and become Green Left?
Philip Leicester

Philip Leicester Context is everything; the Netherlands has one of the most proportional election systems in Europe. Which is why I begun “In our political system . . . ”

The left has to prioritise democracy. And the left which does not get democracy needs to be flagged up as the obstacle they truly are, including large swathes of the Labour Party.

Philip Leicester
Philip Leicester Agree, but I’m becoming more frustrated with the left; as Richard says many times, “we are losing”. But we are not taking seriously the threats to democracy which will set us back decades; remember, the Labour representation committee was established tSee More


Roger Lewis

Roger Lewis Bit of a stream of conciousness coming up Agree with the OP but urge praxis and pedagodgy.

This book is intended for normal, mainstream, secular, modern, disaffected and alienated intellectuals; those who are complicit in political correctness (as are all intellectuals) but who are (when not distracted, drugged or dreaming) in a state of despair.
This book will, I hope, help such people to understand their condition, and present the likely choices. It will not help them to save their world (too late for that) but it may help them to save their souls.

Note: Why I use the term Political Correctness, instead of Liberalism or Socialism?
The reasons include:
1. The confusion over what ‘liberalism’ means – to some a free marketeer, to others a socialist. My definition of political correctness is broad and includes most mainstream conservatives, libertarians and anarchists; who are nowadays all significantly PC.



Thus, the major output of the modern international Mass Media consists of only four categories:
1. Good presented as bad
2. Bad presented as Good
(That is to say simple inversion)
3. Good presented as Good for a bad reason
4. Bad presented as bad for a bad reason
(That is to say explanatory inversion)
These four categories, which can be summarized as either simple or explanatory inversion, account for all sustained and high impact modern major Mass Media stories without any exceptions.


If you look at Carolines members interests donations you will see there is no doubt that the GPEW leadership is deeply Liberal.

I’ve just signed a petition to close the #DarkMoneyLoophole in campaign finance – pls join me https://you.38degrees.org.uk/…/reveal-the-secret-donors… … via @38_degrees

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Saw this the other day posted on Green Left I think.


The problem is that Political education and discourse are so poorly communicated. Read Pedagogy of the Oppressed and what will become apparent is Political liberation is a Praxis and not a party. Freedom is something you live and do not something you join.


World Premiere Performance of Bourgeois resolution. A poem in Three Voices for added 4th part Harmony. 
World Premiere Performance of Bourgeois resolution. A poem in Three Voices for added 4th part Harmony. 
It all started from this mans speech to the Oxford Union , ”poets the unacknowledged legislators of the world´´ Shelly.

Purple Haze. Nigel Kennedy.



This poem is about pedagogy of the oppressed it represents all that I have come to understand about representative democracy and the disjoint between Power, Power relations and Political Power. Politicians claiming Democratic objectives in the interests of the Constituents of the communities they represent but actually patronize. This is the Tension between Elites from Grande Bourgeois to Petit Bourgeoise and their aversion too all forms of popular expressions of solidarity by the working Class. Anything outside the boundaries set by the Bourgeoisie sensibilities and aesthetic mores of the Political and Chattering classes is deemed vulgar and viscous in the Vice full sense.
As with the revolution the resolution will be Live.
We interrupt your discord to bring you this resolution
from popular consciousness.
A trailer to the Three Voice Poem
Bourgeois resolution.
A poem in Three Voices for added 4th part Harmony.

Inspired by The society of spectacle by Guy De Bord and the updated version linked.


Cricket Appleseed
Published on 15 Apr 2016


Brexit is still not being seen for what it is the Post Globalisation tremors of the Paradigm shift in political economy.

Roger Lewis's photo.

The Dawkins video on Channel 4 sums up the lack of thought still being applied to these questions. This is about De Globalisation or Post-Globalisation. Globalisation has failed and so has the neo-liberal EU. I have been reading thi this morning.


see article 28 regarding the ESCB and ECB and its sole responsibility for stable prices. One EURO one Vote, that is not democracy. Similarly one Pound Stirling one vote is no more democracy than 10e Euro one vote. I do wish people could separate out the separate questions regarding how best to pursue democracy. Neither the EU or Westminster are democratic. Here’s a whole book about the general malaise from the 1930´s By HG Wells just as a starter for ten.
in fact two

Their Lordships on Article 50.“Bring then above all ignorance, to which add confidence, audacity, and effrontery; as for diffidence, equity, moderation, and shame, you will please leave them at home; they are not merely needless, they are encumbrances.

Austerity, Enlargement and Monetary Union. The End of European Democracy. Not Waving But Drowning.

Engagement with European Parliamentary Elections
1.23 Turnout at European Parliamentary elections in the UK has been consistently lower than
the average turnout across Member States. Average turnout in European Parliamentary
elections across the EU has also steadily decreased since the first elections in 1979.
Figure 3: Turnout at European Parliamentary Elections (%)

UK Turnout Average EU Turnout
1979 1984 1989 1994 1999 2004 2009 2014
European Parliament, Results of the 2014 European Elections (2014). Available at: Source:
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/elections2014-results/en/election-results-2014.html, accessed on 22 Novermber 2014.
The Voting Franchise (Who Can Vote)https://letthemconfectsweeterlies.blogspot.se/2017/02/austerity-enlargement-and-monetary.html

“We are monotonously told: ‘The British people have spoken.’
“No they haven’t!” – Richard Dawkins with our latest #Viewsnight
(** Watch this space for more views on #Brexit in the coming months **)


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