hypocrisy and lack of realism in the ideals of the wartime propaganda . Tory Mendacity on "The Troubles" #Corbyn4PM

If the ex Head of Mi5 holds this view too then why is Mr Corbyn supposed to see it differently? He is TWO weeks away from possibly being PM should those who are about to vote not know what his views and policies are on Terrorism are?…I appreciate that no one is supposed to talk about Brexit anymore but don’t its supporters want to know about anything at all now?

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Ellie Baker

Ellie Baker While you all get upset about Corbyn and his non existent IRA connections .. let me remind you of our Conservatives governments involvement with human rights abusers and dictators openly funding ISIS .. Happening right now

Theresa May hosted the Emir of Qatar, Sheikh Al Thani, saying that his country was a ‘natural partner’ of the UK which was seeking to promote investment and ‘defence’ (i.e., arms exports)The meeting followed Defence Secretary Michael Fallon hosting Qatar’s Defence Minister to discuss joint military training in which Fallon also announced the creation of a new Deputy Defence Attaché role in Qatar ‘which will ensure strong and continued defence engagement’.
Qatar has been accused of financially supporting radical opposition groups in Syria and Iraq and has allowed private fundraising for Al Qaeda, the Islamic State group and other jihadist organisationshttp ://www.reuters.com/article/us-iraq-saudi-qatar-idUSBREA2806S20140309

Theresa May also hosted the King of Bahrain, Hamad bin Isa al Khalifa, notorious for his country’s brutal crackdown on dissidents and the Shia community.

The Prime Minister reiterated the UK’s ‘firm commitment to the security of the Gulf’ – government code for continuing support for the regime.
Royal visits have also been made to Oman and the United Arab Emirates and the government has reaffirmed its commitment to building two new military bases in Bahrain and Oman…
The current King of Bahrain, Hamad bin Isa Al Khalifa is a descendent of the long-ruling Al Khalifa dynasty, which has held power in the country since 1783. Al Khalifa is a tactical partner of the United States in the Gulf region, yet his reign since 2002 has nonetheless administered violent repression of anti-monarchy activists
Interesting point the UK spent £2m in aid money last year to support humanitarian reform in the Bahrain, there was still widespread evidence of the use of torture by security services
…so we give them money to stop human rights abuses and then sell them weapons and cosy up

Meanwhile, Britain has struck an extraordinary new special relationship with the military rulers of Egypt, who overthrow a democratically-elected government in 2013. In August, Theresa May spoke with Egyptian military ruler General Abdel Fattah el-Sisi and ‘discussed a new chapter in bilateral relations between the UK and Egypt’. Since late 2015 numerous ministerial meetings have been held to promote military
cooperationr
Abdel Fattah al-Sisi of Egypt has presided over the flagrant abuse of human rights since taking office a year ago pledging to restore stability. Violence by armed groups and the government has escalated.
The United States and European governments should stop overlooking Egyptian government abuses, including a lack of accountability for many killings of protesters by security forces, mass detentions, military trials of civilians, hundreds of death sentences, and the forced eviction of thousands of families in the Sinai Peninsula.

.https://www.hrw.org/news/2015/06/08/egypt-year-abuse

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Dave Evans

Dave Evans Any point you may have had disintegrates if you start it with a lie, Ellie.

Corbyn’s connections with the IRA are a matter of record.

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Ellie Baker
Ellie Baker please show me ..because i don’t think its true ..because if it was you;d have evidence .. but of course ignore the government selling arms to dictators and regimes that support isis .. some facts for you ..https://twitter.com/ToryFibs/status/868167966063558656


 

 

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Dave Evans Eoin is

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Dave Evans But if your assertion is that Corbyn has never had contact with the IRA?

That’s trivial to disprove, Ellie.


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Ellie Baker research the facts yourself ..its all there..still waiting for the evidence..do you honestly think if they had anything on Corbyn they wouldn’t have used it so far ?..and please check the dates of this photographs .long after the good friday agreement…See More

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Dave Evans

Dave Evans You’ll note that I provided a different photograph, Ellie. From the 1980s.

Do I need to explain the differences between those two photographs, or can you work them out for yourself?

Not that Corbyn meeting with Gerry Adams shortly before the IRA detonated their largest bombing of mainland Britain EVER is a particularly *great* photo…

(and *after* that terrorist attack, Corbyn invited Adams to Parliament YET AGAIN – to sell his autobiography…)

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Ellie Baker
Ellie Baker and in our manifesto ..”A Labour government will immediately recognise the state of Palestine.”..about time huh ?..
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Ellie Baker you mean after he was fully accepted into parliament and became part of the political world .. you really are silly .. again don’t you think if they had anything credible on Corbyn .. they would use it .. you have your opinion ..but facts don’t back your opinion up .. read the facts
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Dave Evans It might nice if you could stay on topic for just this once, Ellie.

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Dave Evans I mean – do you not know who Gerry Adams is?

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Ellie Baker
Ellie Baker If the Catholics had been allowed civil rights from the start there would have been no violence. Internment of over 3000 Catholic men was the best recruiting sergeant for the IRA. If you codem the IRA you need to condemn the Army and RUC paramilitary police for their murders as well.
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Ellie Baker
Ellie Baker Corbyn condemned both the IRA and the British Army.
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Dave Evans

Dave Evans These aren’t responses to what I’m saying, Ellie.

Nor are they relevant to what you said.

The question at hand isn’t whether Corbyn has condemned the IRA.

You claimed he had no connection whatsoever with the IRA.

What’s your basis for that claim? Given that there are, y’know, photos of him with them.

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Dave Evans

Dave Evans You know what? Don’t answer me.

But have a good hard think about it.

Because you need to know the answer to this.

If a blog or a meme got you *so* convinced about this that you’re willing to argue so vociferously about it – even in the face of photographic evidence and contemporaneous news articles – then you really need to stop and think about how readily you believe things you *want* to believe.

And whether facts matter to you, or not.

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Ellie Baker you’re talking silly and you know it .. corny is a man of peace
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Andrew Sheldon Enlighten us…what are they? Evidence would be appreciated if available.
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Tim Light I’m waiting too… Given that Corbyn was under seveilence by MI5, for pretty much all of that time and they couldn’t find anything which they could arrest him for.
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Dave Evans And we’re shifting the goalposts again.

Who claimed that Corbyn committed a criminal offence?

That he met with IRA members is a matter of record. It’s in Hansard. There are several photographs of him chatting with divisional commanders of the provisional IRA.

He’s admitted himself to attending memorial services for IRA martyrs (and described it as “an honour” to be invited).

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Dave Evans By all means think that Corbyn’s support of the IRA doesn’t matter.

By all means think that it was years ago, or that you agree with him. …See More

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Dave Evans Take your conspiracy theories and shove them up your arse, Roger 🙂
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Roger Lewis Dave Evans This is evidence based upon facts Dave, the truth is like that it sets you free but only after it pisses you off. Google SCADS Lance de Haven.
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Stuart Gregory Jeremy Corbyn has never met anyone from the IRA Dave.

In your haste to stick the boot into Corbyn, you are confusing Sinn Fein with the IRA.

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Tim Light I agree that it’s wrong to claim that connections are “non existent” (as in the first comment above) but, at the same time, it’s wrong to exaggerate those connections. Which, is something which we often see. It’s more accurate to say that Corbyn had a ‘pro-unionist’ stance on Northern Ireland, rather than ‘pro-IRA’. He’s also on record condemning the violence there, at that time, by all perpetrators. But, this seldom gets mentioned by those who dislike him and use he’s opinions of the troubles in Northern Ireland and what should have been done to achieve peace, against him.
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Dave Evans It was an explicitly pro-IRA stance, Tim.

(and you mean ‘Republican’ rather than ‘Unionist’…)

Certainly his overall stance has always been in support of a united Ireland (which is a perfectly valid political position to hold), but he’s also regularly expressed that support *through support of the Provisional IRA*.

He’s met with senior members (repeatedly), he’s attended memorials for their dead, he’s protested their trials and the magazine he edited eulogised their terrorism (and, most notoriously, even celebrated the Brighton Bombing – and the deaths it caused – in an editorial)

We can’t pretend he was a distant supporter of their cause. He was an active supporter of the IRA as an entity, and a supporter of many of them as individuals.

Again – these are perfectly valid positions to hold (although in some cases a bit distasteful). There’s nothing criminal about any of it.

It’s also perfectly valid to suggest that, given the current political situation, none of this matters any more.

My issue is that far too many Corbyn supporters are eager to rewrite history on his behalf, inventing a perfect, flawless Jeremy Corbyn who has never done anything questionable.

(we see a similar thing with regard to expenses claims, where “he has low travel expenses claims” (true) has been twisted to “he always has the lowest expenses claims of any MP” (an outright lie))

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Tim Light Yeah, I often do that. In the case of N.I., I often think of ‘unionism’ to mean the union of N.I. and the Republic. It’s made more confusing that the pro-British in N.I. are often referred to as ‘loyalists’ rather than ‘unionists’. I usually see my mis…See More
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Dave Evans The only republicans he met with were members of the provisional IRA, the only arguments he advanced were those aligned with Sinn Fein and the provisional IRA.

He definitely attended events relating to IRA terrorist members – so his contact wasn’t just with the ‘political wing’.

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Andrew Sheldon Opinion is good but it isn’t evidence Dave…where are the quotes and their sources which have him expressing support for PIRA and it’s campaign of violence?
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Dave Evans Again with the goalpost-moving, Andrew.

The thing is, you’ve had Corbyn’s IRA connections proved to you repeatedly. What would be the point in providing the same links to you again?

You’re just going to force the same argument again in a subsequent thread.

Honestly, the bigger issue for me is the way you lot have so much difficult acknowledging Corbyn’s background, and the things he’s championed over his political career.

This shouldn’t be controversial stuff. Most of it should be stuff you agree with, even.

(or at least aren’t bothered about)

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Roger Lewis http://letthemconfectsweeterlies.blogspot.se/…/ira-uda… Try some facts Dave, just for a change.
DO you suppose that all conflict ends by the bad guys walking out with white flags and saying do with us as you will? DO grow up.

Quiggleys words.p.232 tragedy and Hope.
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of realism in the ideals of the wartime propaganda and at the lack of honesty of the chief negotiators in carrying on the pretense that these ideals were still in effect while they violated them daily, and necessarily violated them. The settlements were clearly made by secret negotiations, by the Great Powers exclusively, and by power politics. They had to be. No settlements could ever have been made on any other bases. The failure of the chief negotiators (at least the Anglo-Americans) to admit this is regrettable, but behind their
reluctance to admit it is the even more regrettable fact that the lack of political experience and political education of the American and English electorates made it dangerous for the negotiators to admit the facts of life in international political relationships.”


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Dave Evans Do feel free to stop stalking me like a total fucking mentalist, Roger.
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Andrew Sheldon How has this Goalpost shifted..this is all I have said ” Enlighten us…what are they? Evidence would be appreciated if available.” There is no evidence in any of the above it is interesting but it is opinion.
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Dave Evans When the initial claim was “Corbyn had no IRA connections at all”, asking for proof that he “supported the PIRA’s campaign of violence” is rather more significant, wouldn’t you say?

Almost like you’re asking me to prove something that wasn’t alleged in the first place, in fact.

You’re also well aware – as am I – that the evidence has been presented to you previously, Andrew.

Why would I waste my time presenting it again?

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Dave Evans I mean – are you actually contesting that Corbyn had no connection whatsoever with the Provisional IRA?

Or just that he never supported them or their goals?

Or both?

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Andrew Sheldon No I am saying, to be clear, he appeared on platforms and he spoke to Sinn Fein, and to the IRA. He never condoned violence from anyone, Loyalist, Republican or British as he is opposed to violence in virtually every conceivable circumstance as he believes that it occurs when politics fail.
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Nick Machnik-Foster He has never once during The Troubles or since specifically condemned the violence of the IRA even when given 5 chances to do so recently.
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Andrew Sheldon Neither would if I were in a position of responsibility for maintaining a still fragile Peace process.
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Dave Evans Well that’s rather different from what Ellie claimed (and what is being claimed on various pro-Corbyn blogs), and what I was initially arguing against.

I’d contend that his mourning of IRA ‘martyrs’ was condoning their terrorism, as did his position on the editorial board of ‘Labour Briefing’ when they published their vile celebratory editorial about the Brighton Bombing, and his protest of the trial of IRA terrorists.

But that is debatable. You might think he had other reasons for those actions, or that there’s still a certain distance between his behaviour and ‘supporting violence’.

I’d also suggest that his inability to condemn IRA violence without equivocation is worrying.

(he does a similar thing when asked about anti-Semitism – he won’t condemn it, but he will condemn “all acts of bigotry”)

Again, you might be satisfied with an equivocal condemnation and think it’s splitting hairs to want him to be specific.

But it’s saying that these things *never happened* that’s my main concern.

In order to have room for debate, we need to acknowledge the basic historical facts.

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Nick Machnik-Foster Then you’re an idiot Andrew.
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Andrew Sheldon No..I was a Soldier and I KNOW that Peace is more important than Pride.
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Dave Evans (Corbyn isn’t – and never has been – responsible for maintaining the peace process in Northern Ireland)
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Nick Machnik-Foster He is not and has never been in any position in the Peace Process and condemning IRA violence is something that some former IRA members will do.
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Nick Machnik-Foster The only reason to not condemn IRA violence is because you support it.
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Andrew Sheldon NO it isn’t Nick. The reason the IRA came to the table was that it was allowed do so without admitting either defeat or being held solely responsible for the carnage it had caused. It needed to save face and it was allowed to do so as it comprises mostly of posturing idiots to whom such things matter more than even innocent peoples lives. It had proven that already by the thousand.
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Nick Machnik-Foster The IRA came to the table because the whole thing was going fucking nowhere and the UK government reached out to end it. There were more grasses at some IRA meetings than there were members by the 1990s.
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Nick Machnik-Foster Roger do you mind coming back when you stop posting bollocks and can join in conservation with the adults.
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Roger Lewis Nick one man’s fish is another man’s, Poisson. What I am posting is relevant to both the security services and what they know of radicalisation but further, what they do in their black operations and further with the attacks on Corbyn regarding IRA/SinnFein the UDA and MI% involvement with it activities in Ulster.
Failing to understand both the present but historical context of UK foreign and domestic policy leads to the sort of Guff that passes for critical comment. SO if its all the same to you I will continue to post, you can decide if you wish to click on and engage with the information.
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Nick Machnik-Foster No it’s bollocks.
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Roger Lewis Nick Machnik-Foster I disagree , you may disagree with or dislike the content or wish that it is not aired , but that is another question. Calling it “Bollocks” is not an argument.
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Nick Machnik-Foster Calling it bollocks is stating a fact.
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Nick Machnik-Foster Calling it bollocks is stating a fact.
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Roger Lewis Nick Machnik-Foster no it is stating an opinion , quite a different thing.
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Nick Machnik-Foster No you thinking that it has any use beyond filling the Internet with shit is an opinion, stating that it is bollocks is a fact.
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Roger Lewis Your statement is only a fact in so much that it is the fact of your opinion or even the opinion of many. To engage with the material and analyse its factual content and demonstrating where it is incorrect or incorrect to the point that it is absurd would establish to the extent that you engaged in sufficient analysis that some or all of the content could be categorised as Bollocks. You have not supported your opinion that it is Bollock. The Panorama Programme is clearly not Bollocks it has many facts supported by evidence. The Wikipedia Articles on the UDA and IRA are also full of supported facts, Encyclopaedias are full of facts.
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Andrew Sheldon I appreciate that Nick (the SAS had killed dozens and it was on its knees) but it was more to do with ending it for good than defeating its existing ASU’s as they would simply seed into the next generation. We had the opportunity we don’t have with IS and we took it. Sometimes it is necessary to shake hands whilst holding one’s nose as the prize is worth it.
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Beofre examining those stuborn things ´´Facts´´Lets take a look at Boris´s first Run out as Sec of state Theresa Mays ´´Incitatus´´

INCITATUS (BORIS JOHNSON) CALIGULA (JOHN KERRY) AND THE CURIOUS CASE OF THE NEW CONSUL AT THE UNITED NATIONS SECURITY COUNCIL 

We can though justify a high degree of Scepticism regarding the holier than though affirmations of the Arch imperialists rich in Rhetoric and Sophistry, Kerry and Johnson. Those stubborn things facts, tend only to emerge after a thorough investigation, rigorous checking and this requires a passage of time it is a Stubborn and strict task master scientific rigour. So facts stubborn or not, are by definition in short supply early on, however stubborn they may or may not be and how universally owned they may be is not a question until said facts can be sensibly assembled.  
Boris almost had me at the start I thought he was being sincere but fresh off the 350 million quid a week for the NHS wheeze, post-Brexit &; plastered all over the side of a Bus. And given the scant acquaintance old Bozzer seems to have with telling the truth, I remained unhooked but admit almost lured. But then the tell, the giveaway, everything was,´´especially the blame of the Assad regime´´, who could possibly see them as the part of any solution? They alone responsible for the ´´greater part of the 400,000 deaths in Syria” and on and on he went with his own curious set of facts, and with an awed equine mastication of the acronym UNGA, after all, Caligula had done much the same and a borrowed fact here and there, who could possibly notice? So there dear reader we must depart the scene in the marbled atria of the Colonnades of the United Nations and its most lauded Security Council with UNGA foremost in our hearts and minds. Let us envision bent over braced and head firmly in the sand Boris again, in position, to Expose his thinking parts. As Caligula Whips his Incitatus onwards. Gimp masks instead of Blinkers and much feasting on porcine fare, in best Bullingdon and Skull and Bones style. Perhaps they have both had a late night down the temple playing the biscuit game, beloved of posh Lads in posh schools and posher clubs. They had taken the seasons biscuit for scraping the bottom of the barrel after all.
Wikipedia does facts its an encyclopaedia. So far this. 

http://www.bbc.com/news/election-2017-40069744

“Conservative Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson has used her remarks to launch an attack on the Labour leadership: “Jeremy Corbyn’s lies have been exposed by his own shadow home secretary.
“Just hours after Corbyn claimed he had never met the IRA, Diane Abbott says he did – and she disgracefully sought to defend it.
“It is increasingly clear that Jeremy Corbyn will make up anything in an attempt to mislead voters.
“He’s pretending he didn’t support the IRA, just like he is pretending he won’t raise taxes and pretending he will replace our Trident nuclear deterrent.”

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Ulster Defence Association

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Ulster Defence Association (UDA)
Participant in the Troubles
Emblem of the Ulster Defence Association.svg

Flag of the Ulster Defence Association.svg

Above: UDA emblem
Below: UDA flag
Active September 1971–present (on ceasefire since October 1994; ended armed campaign in November 2007)
Ideology Ulster loyalism
British unionism
Right-wing politics
Ulster nationalism (briefly)
Leaders Charles Harding Smith (1971–1973)
Jim Anderson de facto (April–December 1972); joint chairman (December 1972 to spring 1973)
Andy Tyrie (1973–1988)

Commander of the UFF
John McMichael (until 1987)[1]

Inner Council
Jackie McDonaldJohnny AdairJim GrayAndre ShoukriJames Simpson, South East Antrim Commander John GreggBilly McFarland, Matt Kincaid[1]

Headquarters Belfast
Area of operations Northern Ireland (mostly)
Republic of Ireland
Strength 40,000 at its peak (1972),
under 1,000 at the end of its armed campaign[2]
Allies Loyalist Volunteer Force,[3]
Red Hand Defenders (until 2002)[4]
Opponents Irish Republican Army
Irish republicans
Irish nationalists
The Ulster Defence Association (UDA) is the largest[5][6] Ulster loyalist paramilitary and vigilante[7] group in Northern Ireland. It was formed in September 1971 and undertook a campaign of almost twenty-four years during the Troubles. For most of this time it was a legal organisation. Its declared goal was to defend Ulster Protestant loyalist areas[8] and to combat Irish republicanism, particularly the Provisional Irish Republican Army (IRA). In the 1970s, uniformed UDA members openly patrolled these areas armed with batons and held large marches and rallies. Within the UDA was a group tasked with launching paramilitary attacks; it used the covername Ulster Freedom Fighters (UFF) so that the UDA would not be outlawed. The British government outlawed the “UFF” in November 1973, but the UDA itself was not proscribed as a terrorist group until August 1992.[9]
The UDA/UFF was responsible for more than 400 deaths. The vast majority of its victims were Irish Catholic civilians,[10][11][12] killed at random, in what the group called retaliation for IRA actions or attacks on Protestants.[13][14] High-profile attacks carried out by the group include the Milltown massacre, the Sean Graham bookmakers’ shooting, the Castlerock killings and the Greysteel massacre. Most of its attacks were in Northern Ireland, but from 1972 onward it also carried out bombings in the Republic of Ireland. The UDA/UFF declared a ceasefire in 1994 and ended its campaign in 2007, but some of its members have continued to engage in violence.[15] The other main loyalist paramilitary group during the conflict was the Ulster Volunteer Force (UVF). All three groups are Proscribed Organisations in the United Kingdom under the Terrorism Act 2000.[16]

History[edit]

Beginning[edit]

The Ulster Defence Association emerged from a series of meetings during the middle of 1971 of loyalist “vigilante” groups called “defence associations”.[17] The largest of these were the Shankill and Woodvale Defence Associations,[18] with other groups based in East Belfast, the Hammer and Roden Street.[19] The first meeting was chaired by Billy Hull, with Alan Moon as its vice-chair. Moon was quickly replaced by Jim Anderson and had left the organisation by the time of its formal launch in September.[20]
By this point, Charles Harding Smith had become the group’s leader, with former British soldier Davy Fogel as his second-in-command, who trained the new recruits in military tactics, the use of guns, and unarmed combat. Its most prominent early spokesperson was Tommy Herron;[17] however, Andy Tyrie would emerge as leader soon after.[21] Its original motto was Cedenta Arma Togae (“Law before violence”) and it was a legal organisation until it was banned by the British Government on 10 August 1992.[17]

UDA members marching through Belfast city centre in a massive show of strength, mid-1972

At its peak of strength it held around forty thousand members, mostly part-time.[22][23] During this period of legality, the UDA committed a large number of attacks using the name Ulster Freedom Fighters,[24][25] including the assassination of Social Democratic and Labour Party (SDLP) politician Paddy Wilson in 1973.[26]The UDA was involved in the successful Ulster Workers Council Strike in 1974, which brought down the Sunningdale Agreement—an agreement which some unionists thought conceded too much to nationalist demands. The UDA enforced this general strike through widespread intimidation across Northern Ireland. The strike was led by VUPP Assemblyman and UDA member, Glenn Barr.[27]
The UDA were often referred to as “Wombles” by their rivals, mainly the Ulster Volunteer Force (UVF). The name is derived from the furry fictional creatures The Wombles, and was given to the UDA because many of its members wore fur-trimmed parkas.[28] Its headquarters is in Gawn Street, off the Newtownards Road in east Belfast,[29] and its current motto is Quis Separabit, which is Latin for “Who will separate [us]?”

Women’s units[edit]

The UDA had several women’s units, which acted independent of each other.[30][31] Although they occasionally helped man roadblocks, the women’s units were typically involved in local community work and responsible for the assembly and delivery of food parcels to UDA prisoners. This was a source of pride for the UDA.[32] The first women’s unit was founded on the Shankill Road by Wendy “Bucket” Millar, whose sons Herbie and James “Sham” Millar would later become prominent UDA members.[33] The UDA women’s department was headed by Jean Moore, who also came from the Shankill Road. She had also served as the president of the women’s auxiliary of the Loyalist Association of Workers. Her brother Ingram “Jock” Beckett, one of the UDA’s founding members, had been killed in March 1972 by a rival UDA faction in an internal dispute.[34] Moore was succeeded by Hester Dunn of east Belfast, who also ran the public relations and administration section at the UDA headquarters.[35] Wendy Millar’s Shankill Road group was a particularly active women’s unit, and another was based in Sandy Row, south Belfast, a traditional UDA stronghold. The latter was commanded by Elizabeth “Lily” Douglas.[36] Her teenaged daughter, Elizabeth was one of the members.[37]
The Sandy Row women’s UDA unit was disbanded after it carried out a vicious “romper room” punishment beating on 24 July 1974 which left 32-year-old Ann Ogilby dead. The body of Ogilby, a Protestant single mother who had an affair with the husband of one of the unit’s members, was found in a ditch five days later.[38] The day of the fatal beating Ogilby was abducted and forced upstairs to the first floor of a disused bakery in Sandy Row that had been converted into a UDA club. Two teenage girls, Henrietta Cowan and Christine Smith,[39] acting under Elizabeth Douglas’ orders to give Ogilby a “good rompering”,[40] punched, kicked, then battered her to death with bricks and sticks; the autopsy later revealed that Ogilby had suffered 24 blows to the head and body. The killing, which was carried out within earshot of Ogilby’s six-year-old daughter, caused widespread revulsion throughout Northern Ireland and was condemned by the UDA prisoners serving inside the Maze Prison. None of the other UDA women’s units had consented to or been aware of the fatal punishment beating until it was reported in the news.[31] Douglas, Cowan, and Smith were convicted of the murder and sentenced to imprisonment at Armagh Women’s Jail. Seven other members of the women’s unit and a UDA man were also convicted for their part in the murder.[37][40] The UDA “romper rooms”, named after the children’s television programme, were places where victims were beaten and tortured prior to being killed. This was known as a “rompering”. The “romper rooms” were normally located in disused buildings, lock-up garages, warehouses, and rooms above pubs and drinking clubs.[41] The use of the “romper rooms” was a more common practise among male members of the UDA than their female counterparts.[31]

Paramilitary campaign[edit]

The flag of the “Ulster Freedom Fighters” with a clenched fist representing the Red Hand of Ulster and the Latin motto Feriens tego, meaning “striking I defend”

Throughout the majority of its period of legality, the UDA’s attacks were carried out under the name “Ulster Freedom Fighters” (UFF). The UDA’s campaign of violence began in 1972. In May of that year, the UDA’s pressured leader Tommy Herron decided that responsibility for acts of violence committed by the UDA would be claimed by the “UFF”. Its first public statements came one month later.[42]
The UDA’s official position during the Troubles was that if the Provisional Irish Republican Army (Provisional IRA) called off its campaign of violence, then it would do the same. However, if the British government announced that it was withdrawing from Northern Ireland, then the UDA would act as “the IRA in reverse.”[43]
Active throughout the Troubles, its armed campaign gained prominence in the early 1990s through Johnny Adair‘s ruthless leadership of the Lower Shankill 2nd Battalion, C. Company, which resulted in a greater degree of tactical independence for individual brigades.[44] C. Company’s hit squad, led by Stephen McKeag, became notorious for a campaign of random murders of Catholic civilians in the first half of the 1990s.[45]
They benefited, along with the Ulster Volunteer Force, and a group called Ulster Resistance (set up by the Democratic Unionist Party), from a shipment of arms imported from Lebanon in 1988.[46] The weapons landed included rocket launchers, 200 rifles, 90 pistols and over 400 grenades.[46] Although almost two–thirds of these weapons were later recovered by the Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC), they enabled the UDA to launch an assassination campaign against their perceived enemies.

A UFF mural in the Kilcooley estate near Bangor

A UFF mural in the Sandy Row area of South Belfast

North Belfast UDA brigadier Davy Payne was arrested after his “scout” car had been stopped at a RUC checkpoint and large caches of the weaponry were discovered in the boots of his associates’ cars. He was sentenced to 19 years in prison.
In 1992 Brian Nelson, a prominent UDA member convicted of sectarian killings, revealed that he was also a British Army agent. This led to allegations that the British Army and RUC were helping the UDA to target Irish republican activists. UDA members have since confirmed that they received intelligence files on republicans from British Army and RUC intelligence sources.[47]
One of the most high-profile UDA attacks came in October 1993, when three masked men attacked a restaurant called the Rising Sun in the predominantly Catholic village of GreysteelCounty Londonderry, where two hundred people were celebrating Halloween. The two men entered and opened fire. Eight people, including six Catholics and two Protestants were killed and nineteen wounded in what became known as the Greysteel massacre. The “UFF” claimed the attack was in retaliation to the IRA’s Shankill Road bombing, which killed nine people seven days earlier.
According to the Sutton database of deaths at the University of Ulster‘s CAIN project,[48] the UDA was responsible for 259 killings during the Troubles. 208 of its victims were civilians (predominantly Catholics), 12 were civilian political activists (mainly members of Sinn Féin), 37 were other loyalist paramilitaries (including 30 of its own members), three were members of the security forces and 11 were republican paramilitaries. A number of these attacks were carried out with the assistance or complicity of the British Army, the RUC, or both, according to the Stevens Enquiry, although the exact number of people killed as a result of collusion has not been revealed. The preferred modus operandi of the UDA was individual killings of civilian targets in nationalist areas, rather than large-scale bomb or mortar attacks.
The UDA employed various codewords whenever they claimed their attacks. These included: “The Crucible”, “Titanic”, “Ulster Troubles” and “Captain Black”.

Post-ceasefire activities[edit]

Its ceasefire was welcomed by the Northern Ireland Secretary of State, Paul Murphy and the Chief Constable of the Police Service of Northern IrelandHugh Orde.

A UDA/UFF mural in Belfast

A UFF flag in Finvoy,a rural area of County Antrim

Since the ceasefire, the UDA has been accused of taking vigilante action against alleged drug dealers, including tarring and feathering a man on the Taughmonagh estate in south Belfast.[49][50] It has also been involved in several feuds with the UVF, which led to many killings. The UDA has also been riddled by its own internecine warfare, with self-styled “brigadiers” and former figures of power and influence, such as Johnny Adair and Jim Gray (themselves bitter rivals), falling rapidly in and out of favour with the rest of the leadership. Gray and John Gregg are amongst those to have been killed during the internal strife. On 22 February 2003, the UDA announced a “12-month period of military inactivity”.[51] It said it would review its ceasefire every three months. The UPRG’s Frankie Gallagher has since taken a leading role in ending the association between the UDA and drug dealing.[52]
Following an August 2005 Sunday World article that poked fun at the gambling losses of one of its leaders, the UDA banned the sale of the newspaper from shops in areas it controls. Shops that defy the ban have suffered arson attacks, and at least one newsagent was threatened with death.[53] The Police Service of Northern Ireland began accompanying the paper’s delivery vans.[54][55] The UDA was also considered to have played an instrumental role in loyalist riots in Belfast in September 2005.[56]
On 13 November 2005 the UDA announced that it would “consider its future”, in the wake of the standing down of the Provisional IRA and Loyalist Volunteer Force.[57]
In February 2006, the Independent Monitoring Commission (IMC) reported UDA involvement in organised crime, drug trafficking, counterfeiting, extortion, money laundering and robbery.[58]

A UDA/UFF mural in Bangor

On 20 June 2006, the UDA expelled Andre Shoukri and his brother Ihab, two of its senior members who were heavily involved in organised crime. Some saw this as a sign that the UDA was slowly coming away from crime.[59] The move did see the southeast Antrim brigade of the UDA, which had been at loggerheads with the leadership for some time, support Shoukri and break away under former UPRG spokesman Tommy Kirkham.[60] Other senior members met with Taoiseach Bertie Ahern for talks on 13 July in the same year.[61]
On 11 November 2007 the UDA announced that the Ulster Freedom Fighters would be stood down from midnight of the same day,[62] with its weapons “being put beyond use” although it stressed that these would not be decommissioned.[63]
Although the group expressed a willingness to move from criminal activity to “community development,” the IMC said it saw little evidence of this move because of the views of its members and the lack of coherence in the group’s leadership as a result of its decentralised structure. While the report indicated the leadership intends to move towards its stated goals, factionalism hindered this change and was the strongest hindrance to progress. Although most loyalist actions were curtailed since the IMC’s previous report, most of loyalist paramilitary activity was coming from the UDA.
The IMC report concluded that the leadership’s willingness to change has resulted in community tension and the group would continue to be monitored, although “the mainstream UDA still has some way to go.” Furthermore, the IMC warned the group to “recognise that the organisation’s time as a paramilitary group has passed and that decommissioning is inevitable.” Decommissioning was said to be the “biggest outstanding issue for loyalist leaders, although not the only one.”[64]

A UDA/UFF South-East Antrim Brigade mural in Newtownabbey

On 6 January 2010, the UDA announced that it had put its weapons “verifiably beyond use”.[65] The decommissioning was completed five weeks before a government amnesty deadline beyond which any weapons found could have been used as evidence for a prosecution.[65] The decommissioning was confirmed by Canadian General John de Chastelain, chairman of the Independent International Commission on Decommissioning, as well as Lord Eames, former Archbishop of Armagh and Sir George Quigley, former top civil servant.[66]
Chastelain stated that the decommissioning included arms, ammunition, explosives and explosive devices and the UDA stated that the arms “constitute the totality of those under their control”.[65] Following the decommissioning the Ulster Political Research Group, the UDA’s political representatives, stated that the “Ulster Defence Association was formed to defend our communities; we state quite clearly and categorically that this responsibility now rests with the Government and its institutions where legitimacy resides”.[66] UDA representative Frankie Gallagher also stated that the group now regretted being responsible for the killing of more than 400 people.[67]
Shaun Woodward, the British Secretary of State for Northern Ireland, stated that this “is a major act of leadership by the UDA and further comprehensive evidence of the success of politics over violence in Northern Ireland” and the act was also welcomed by Sinn Féin and DUP politicians.[68]The President of the Republic of Ireland, Mary McAleese, described the decommissioning as “a very positive milestone on the journey of peace”.[69] US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton also welcomed the move as a step towards lasting peace in Northern Ireland.[70]

South East Antrim breakaway group[edit]

The breakaway faction continues to use the “UDA” title in its name, although it too expressed willingness to move towards “community development.” Although serious crime is not prevalent among its members, some who were arrested for drug peddling and extortion were exiled by the Brigade. A clear distinction between the factions was not available in the 20th IMC report, as this was the first report to differentiate between the two.[64]

Politics[edit]

Some UDA leaders supported an independent Northern Ireland in the mid–late 1970s

In the 1970s the group favoured Northern Ireland independence, but they have retreated from this position.[71]
The New Ulster Political Research Group (NUPRG) was initially the political wing of the UDA, founded in 1978, which then evolved into the Ulster Loyalist Democratic Party in 1981 under the leadership of John McMichael, a prominent UDA member killed by the IRA in 1987, amid suspicion that he was set up to be killed by some of his UDA colleagues.
In 1987, the UDA’s deputy commander John McMichael (who was then the leader of the UFF) promoted a document entitled Common Sense, which promoted a consensual end to the conflict in Northern Ireland, while maintaining the Union. The document advocated a power-sharing assembly involving both nationalists and unionists, an agreed constitution and new Bill of Rights. It is not clear, however, whether this programme was adopted by the UDA as their official policy.[43] However, the killing of McMichael that same year and the subsequent removal of Tyrie from the leadership and his replacement with an Inner Council saw the UDA concentrate on stockpiling weapons rather than political ideas.[72]
In 1989, the ULDP changed its name to the Ulster Democratic Party (UDP). It finally dissolved itself in 2001 following very limited electoral success and internal difficulties. Gary McMichael, son of John McMichael, was the last leader of the UDP, which supported the signing of the Good Friday Agreement. The Ulster Political Research Group (UPRG) was subsequently formed to give political analysis to the UDA and act as community workers in loyalist areas. It is currently represented on the Belfast City Council.
In early January 1994, the UDA released a document calling for ethnic cleansing and repartition, with the goal of making Northern Ireland wholly Protestant.[73] The plan was to be implemented should the British Army withdraw from Northern Ireland. Areas in the south and west with strong Catholic/nationalist majorities would be handed over to the Republic, and those Catholics left stranded in the “Protestant state” would be “expelled, nullified, or interned”.[73] The story was printed in The Sunday Independent newspaper on 16 January.[74] The “doomsday plan” was based on the work of Dr Liam Kennedy, a lecturer at Queen’s University Belfast[73] who in 1986 had published a book called Two Ulsters: A Case for Repartition although it did not call for ethnic cleansing. The UDP’s Raymond Smallwoods said “I wasn’t consulted but the scenario set out is a perfectly plausible one”.[73] The DUP’s Sammy Wilson stated that the plan “shows that some loyalist paramilitaries are looking ahead and contemplating what needs to be done to maintain our separate Ulster identity”[73]

Links with other groups[edit]

In his book Black SunNicholas Goodrick-Clarke claimed that the UDA had links with Neo-Nazi groups in Britain—specifically Combat 18[75] (formed in 1991) and the British National Socialist Movement[76] (formed in 1985). He claims that members of these groups helped to smuggle weapons for the UDA. Ian S Wood‘s book Crimes of Loyalty: A History of the UDA claims that the UDA has received backing from Combat 18, the British National Front and the British National Party.[77] In 2006, the BBC also reported that the group has links with Combat 18.[78] It is unknown whether these links still exist. The links may not have been politically motivated, but for mutually beneficial arms deals. On one occasion the UDA sent Louis Scott, one of a few black members of the UDA, to make the transaction.[79] Johnny Adair, who had been in Combat 18 before the UDA, established stronger links once he became a brigadier.[80][81]
The Red Hand Defenders is a cover name used by breakaway factions of the UDA and the LVF.[1] The term was coined in 1997 when members of the LVF carried out attacks on behalf of Johnny Adair’s “UFF 2nd Battalion, ‘C’ Company (Shankill Road)” and vice versa.[1] The relationship between the UDA (specifically Adair’s West Belfast Brigade, not the wider leadership of the UDA) was initially formed after the death of Billy Wright, the previous leader of the LVF, and grew from Adair’s personal friendship with Mark ‘Swinger’ Fulton, the organisation’s new chief.
The necessity for a cover name resulted from the need to avoid tensions between the UDA and the UVF, the organisation from which the LVF had broken away. It was perceived that any open co-operation between the UDA and the LVF would anger the UVF, something which proved to be the case in following years and resulted in a loyalist feud.[1] There has been debate as to whether or not the Red Hand Defenders have become an entity in their own right[82] made up of dissident factions from both the UDA and the LVF (both of which have now declared ceasefires whilst the RHD has not), although much intelligence has been based on the claims of responsibility which, as has been suggested,[1] are frequently misleading.
A 1985 MI5 assessment reported that 85% of the UDA’s “targeting material” came from the security forces.[83]

Structure and leadership[edit]

The UDA is made up of:
  • the Inner Council
  • the Ulster Freedom Fighters (UFF)—whose role was to carry out attacks on republican and nationalist targets. However, many regard the UFF as merely a covername used when the UDA wished to claim responsibility for attacks.[84]
  • the Ulster Defence Force (UDF)—whose role was to give “specialist military training” to a select group of UDA members. The UDF was initiated by John McMichael[85] (the then UDA/UFF commander) in 1985 as a response to the Anglo-Irish Agreement. The UDF operated training camps in rural parts of Northern Ireland that young loyalists such as Johnny Adair claim to have attended.[85] One reported ‘survival’ training technique was to leave trainees stranded in Dublin with only £1.[85] Some of the training was given by former British Army soldiers and officers. It was described by the UDA as “the nucleus of a new loyalist army at the ready”.[86]
  • the Ulster Young Militants (UYM)—the “youth wing” of the group. Formed in 1973.[87]
  • the Ulster Political Research Group (UPRG)—the UDA’s “political advisory body”. Formed in 1978.[88]
The UDA operated a devolved structure of leadership, each with a brigadier representing one of its six “brigade areas”.[85] Currently, it is not entirely clear whether or not this structure has been maintained in the UDA’s post cease-fire state. The UDA’s six “brigade areas” were:
  • North Belfast
  • East Belfast
  • South Belfast, the UDA’s largest brigade area, covering all of South Belfast down to Lisburn and operating as far away as South County Down, Lurgan, Portadown and Counties Tyrone and Fermanagh.[89]
  • West Belfast
  • Southeast [County] Antrim
  • North County Antrim & County Londonderry

A wall sign in Dervock showing support for the North Antrim and Londonderry brigade.

In addition to these six core brigades two others may have existed. A seventh Mid-Ulster Brigade is mentioned by Steve Bruce as having existed for part of the UDA’s history[90] although Henry McDonald and Jim Cusack characterise this as a “battalion” rather than a brigade and suggest that its rural location prevented it from fully developing.[91] In the late 1970s a Scottish Brigade was established under the command of Roddy McDonald but this proved short-lived. The security forces infiltrated this brigade almost immediately and in 1979 arrested almost its entire membership, ninety people in all. Six members received particularly lengthy prison sentences for their involvement in UDA activities in Perth and the Scottish Brigade quietly disappeared.[92]
Some of the notable brigadiers include:
Jackie McDonald—South Belfast (~1980s-present)[93] Resident of the Taughmonagh estate in South Belfast.[93] McDonald was a cautious supporter of the UDA’s ceasefire and a harsh critic of Johnny ‘Mad Dog’ Adair during his final years of membership of the organisation.[93] McDonald remains the only brigadier who did not have a commonly used nickname.
Johnny ‘Mad Dog’ Adair—West Belfast (1990–2002)[85] An active figure in the UDA/UFF, Adair rose to notoriety in the early 1990s when he led the 2nd Battalion, C Company unit in West Belfast which was responsible for one of the bloodiest killing sprees of the Troubles.[85]
Jim ‘Doris Day’ Gray—East Belfast (1992–2005)[85][94] An unlikely figure in Northern Ireland loyalism, the openly bi-sexual[85] Gray was a controversial figure in the organisation until his death on 4 October 2005. Always flamboyantly dressed, Gray was a key figure in the UDA’s negotiations with Northern Ireland Secretary John Reid. It is widely believed that Gray received his nickname from the Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC) Special Branch.[85]
Jimbo ‘Bacardi Brigadier’ Simpson—North Belfast (Unknown–2002)[85] Simpson is believed to have been an alcoholic, hence his nickname. He was leader of the UDA in the volatile North Belfast area, an interface between Catholics and Protestants in the New Lodge and Tiger’s Bay neighbourhoods.[85]
Billy ‘The Mexican’ McFarland—North Antrim and Londonderry (Unknown–2013)[85] He earned his nickname because of his moustache and swarthy appearance, and had overall command of the UDA’s North Antrim and Derry brigade at the time of the Good Friday Agreement. He supported the leadership against Johnny Adair and has been associated with the magazine ‘Warrior’, which makes the case for Ulster Independence.
Andre ‘The Egyptian’ Shoukri[85]—North Belfast (2002–2005)[85] Initially a close ally of Johnny Adair, Shoukri and his brother Ihab became involved with the UDA in his native North Belfast. The son of an Egyptian father and a Northern Irish mother, he was expelled from the UDA in 2005 following allegations of criminality.
John ‘Grug’ Gregg—South East Antrim (c.1993[95]–2003) John ‘Grug’ Gregg was a man with a fearsome reputation within the loyalist movement, known as a “Hawk” in loyalist circles, and controlled the streets of south east Antrim. On 14 March 1984, he severely wounded Sinn Féin president Gerry Adams in an assassination attempt for which he was jailed. When asked by the BBC in prison if he regretted anything about the shooting, his reply was “only that I didn’t succeed.” He was killed on Belfast’s Nelson Street, along with another UDA member (Rab Carson), while travelling in a taxi from the docks in 2003, and the murder was blamed on supporters of Johnny Adair, who had recently been expelled from the UDA in 2002.

Deaths as a result of activity[edit]

UDA South Belfast Brigade memorial plaque in Sandy Row

Malcolm Sutton’s Index of Deaths from the Conflict in Ireland, part of the Conflict Archive on the Internet (CAIN), states that the UDA/UFF was responsible for at least 260 killings, and lists a further 256 loyalist killings that have not yet been attributed to a particular group.[96] According to the book Lost Lives (2006 edition), it was responsible for 431 killings.[97]
Of those killed by the UDA/UFF:[10]
  • 209 (~80%) were civilians, 12 of whom were civilian political activists
  • 11 (~4%) were members or former members of republican paramilitary groups
  • 37 (~14%) were members or former members of loyalist paramilitary groups
  • 3 (~1%) were members of the British security forces
The CAIN database says there were 91 UDA members and four former members killed in the conflict.[98]

See also[edit]

Irish Republican Army

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Flying Column No. 2 of the 3rd Tipperary Brigade of the Old IRA, photographed in 1921. All organisations calling themselves “Irish Republic Army” claim legitimate descent (sometimes compared to apostolic succession) from the IRA of 1917–22.

The Irish Republican Army (IRA) is any of several armed movements in Ireland in the 20th and 21st centuries dedicated to Irish republicanism, the belief that all of Ireland should be an independent republic. It was also characterised by the belief that political violence was necessary to achieve that goal.
The first known use of the term “Irish Republican Army” occurred in the Fenian raids on many British landmarks, towns, and forts in the late 1700s and 1860s.[1] The original Irish Republican Army formed in 1917 from those Irish Volunteers who refused to enlist in the British Army during World War I, members of the Irish Citizen Army and others.[citation needed] During the Irish War of Independence it was the army of the Irish Republic, declared by Dáil Éireann in 1919. Some Irish people dispute the claims of more recently created organisations that insist that they are the only legitimate descendants of the original IRA, often referred to as the “Old IRA”. The playwright and former IRA member Brendan Behan once said that the first issue on any Irish organisation’s agenda was “the split”.[2] For the IRA, that has often been the case. The first split came after the Anglo-Irish Treaty in 1921, with supporters of the Treaty forming the nucleus of the National Army of the newly created Irish Free State, while the anti-treaty forces continued to use the name Irish Republican Army. After the end of the Irish Civil War, the IRA was around in one form or another for forty years, when it split into the Official IRA and the Provisional IRA in 1969. The latter then had its own breakaways, namely the Real IRA and the Continuity IRA, each claiming to be the true successor of the Army of the Irish Republic.
  • The Irish Republican Army (1917–22) (in later years, known as the “Old” IRA), recognised by the First Dáil as the legitimate army of the Irish Republic in April 1921, split into pro-Treaty forces (the National Army, also known as the Government forces or the Regulars) and anti-Treaty forces (the RepublicansIrregulars or Executive forces) after the Treaty.
  • The Irish Republican Army (1922–69), the anti-treaty IRA which fought and lost the civil war and which thereafter refused to recognise either the Irish Free State or Northern Ireland, deeming them both to be creations of British imperialism. It existed in one form or another for over 40 years before splitting in 1969.
  • The Official IRA (OIRA), the remainder of the IRA after the 1969 split with the Provisionals; was primarily Marxist in its political orientation. It is now inactive in the military sense, while its political wing, Official Sinn Féin, became the Workers’ Party of Ireland.
  • The Provisional IRA (PIRA) broke from the OIRA in 1969 over how to deal with the increasing violence in Northern Ireland. Although opposed to the OIRA’s Marxism, it came to develop a left-wing orientation and increasing political activity.
  • The Continuity IRA (CIRA), broke from the PIRA in 1986, because the latter ended its policy on abstentionism (thus recognising the authority of the Republic of Ireland).
  • The Real IRA (RIRA), a 1997 breakaway from the PIRA consisting of members opposed to the Northern Ireland peace process.
  • In April 2011, former members of the Provisional IRA announced a resumption of hostilities, and that “they had now taken on the mantle of the mainstream IRA.” They further claimed “We continue to do so under the name of the Irish Republican Army. We are the IRA.” and insisted that they “were entirely separate from the Real IRA, Óglaigh na hÉireann (ONH), and the Continuity IRA.” They claimed responsibility for the April killing of PSNI constable Ronan Kerr as well as responsibility for other attacks that had previously been claimed by the Real IRA and ONH.[3]

Genealogy of the IRA and its splits[edit]

Here in more detail is a representation[1] of a genealogical tree of Irish nationalist movements derived from the original IRA:
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See also[edit]

Notes[edit]

^ For a diagrammatic version of this, see Genealogy of the Irish Republican Army.

References[edit]

  1. Jump up^ “Origins of the IRA name”An Sionnach Fionn Blog. 27 September 2014.
  2. Jump up^ “Primates’ creative ambiguity averts schism”The Irish Times. 2 February 2005.
  3. Jump up^ Suzanne Breen (22 April 2011). “Former Provos claim Kerr murder and vow more attacks”Belfast Telegraph. Retrieved 23 April 2011.

Bibliography[edit]

  • Cronin, Sean, The Ideology of the IRA (Ann Arbor 1972)
  • Hart, Peter, IRA at War 1916–1923 (Oxford 2003)
  • Hart, P, The IRA and its Enemies: Violence and Community in Cork 1916–1923 (Oxford 1998)
  • Joy, Sinead, The IRA in Kerry 1916–1921 (Cork 2005)
  • Liebknecht, Karl, Militarism and Anti-Militarism (1907); an English translation (Cambridge 1973).
  • Martin, F.X., (ed.) Irish Volunteers 1913–1915. Recollections and Documents (Dublin 1963)
  • O’Ruairc, Padraig Og, Blood on the Banner: The Republican Struggle in Clare 1913–1923 (Cork 2009)
  • Ryan, Meda, Tom Barry: IRA Freedom Fighter (Cork 2005)
  • Townshend, Charles, ‘The Irish Republican Army and the Development of Guerrilla Warfare 1916–21’, English Historical Review 94 (1971), pp. 318–345.
  • W?, With the IRA in the Fight For Freedom (London 1968)

Political Solutions to Violent Terrorist/Liberation Struggles. The Journey New Film

The Truth is so often much stranger than fiction. Fictions of Tory Propaganda for instance.

Political Solutions to Violent Terrorist/Liberation Struggles

 

Endgame (2009 film)

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Endgame
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Theatrical release poster
Directed by Pete Travis
Produced by Hal Vogel
Written by Paula Milne
Starring William Hurt
Chiwetel Ejiofor
Jonny Lee Miller
Mark Strong
Music by Martin Phipps
Cinematography David Odd
Edited by Clive Barrett
Dominic Strevens
Distributed by Target Entertainment
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Country United Kingdom
Language English
Endgame is a 2009 British film directed by Pete Travis from a script by Paula Milne, based upon the book The Fall of Apartheid by Robert Harvey. The film is produced by Daybreak Pictures and reunites Travis with Vantage Point actor William Hurt. It also stars Chiwetel EjioforJonny Lee Miller and Mark Strong. The film dramatises the final days of apartheid in South Africa. It was filmed at locations in Reading, BerkshireEngland and Cape TownSouth Africa in the first half of 2008 and was completed in December that year.
The film had its world premiere on 18 January 2009 at the Sundance Film Festival and was broadcast on Channel 4 on 4 May 2009. It will also have an international theatrical release, the distribution of which is handled by Target Entertainment Group.

 

Extent of secret links between government and IRA revealed

 

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Thatcher started IRA talks in 1990

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Margaret Thatcher’s government opened top-secret contacts with the IRA and Sinn Fein in 1990, four years before the IRA cease-fire, according to her former Northern Ireland Secretary, Peter Brooke.

Government accounts of the secret link have always implied that the key sequence of contacts began in 1993. Ministers main-tain that the contact began in earnest only in February of that year, following a message from Sinn Fein’s Martin McGuinness that the conflict was over.
But now Peter Brooke has revealed that, as Northern Ireland Secretary, he was involved in the decision to open the contact in 1990, only six years after Mrs Thatcher had herself been the victim of the IRA’s failed assassination attempt at Brighton.
In February 1994, as Gerry Adams visited America, Lady Thatcher, as she had become, criticised President Clinton saying: “No democracy should have any truck with terrorists.”
It was in 1990 that Sir Ian Gow, the Tory MP who was one of Mrs Thatcher’s closest friends, was the victim of an IRA assassination. The IRA killed dozens of people and set off hundreds of bombs before the contacts came to a halt late in 1993.
According to the official account, the confidential channel used to convey messages between the government and the IRA had been in existence for years, but the key sequence of contacts was triggered off only in February 1993 by the alleged message from Mr McGuinness. The present Northern Ireland Secretary, Sir Patrick Mayhew, has described this as the initial originating message.

Mr McGuinness is insistent that he sent no message to this effect, and Mr Brooke said he knows nothing of any such message. Mr McGuinness’s claim that the talks began as early as 1990 has now been borne out by Mr Brooke’s revelation.

Wednesday, 1 January, 2003, 00:43 GMT

Adams and IRA’s secret Whitehall talks
Gerry Adams forms part of an IRA funeral honour guard

Gerry Adams (centre) at an IRA funeral

 

By Dominic Casciani
BBC News Online at the Public Record Office

What happened when Gerry Adams and other republican leaders met the government in 1972? Documents finally released to the public reveal all.

Despite protestations to the contrary over the years, the British Government constantly maintained open channels with the IRA during the worst of the Troubles.

The first major meeting of 1972 when an IRA delegation including Gerry Adams was flown into London is among the most well known.
But documents released under the 30-year-rule reveal for the first time the details of official reaction at the time – and confirm that Mr Adams had an earlier longer meeting with two officials which had given the government hope of a breakthrough amid conflict.
Official and unofficial worlds
Officially, there was no chance either wing of the IRA would be allowed into proposed multi-party talks, on the table during the violence of 1972.
William Whitelaw

William Whitelaw: Sanctioned secret contacts

 

But in secret, MI6 pursued contacts with the IRA as part of attempts to see if they could be persuaded into a ceasefire.
These secret contacts, also conducted through leading members of the nationalist SDLP, began to bear fruit.
On 18 June, Northern Ireland Secretary William Whitelaw met SDLP MPs John Hume and Paddy Devlin who said they believed the IRA was willing to talk if the government released Gerry Adams, the 23-year-old republican activist held under internment. Viscount Whitelaw agreed and the meeting was on.
Secret rendezvous
According to the papers, the historic meeting took place at the home of Colonel MW McCorkell at Ballyarnett, near the border with Donegal.
IMPRESSION OF ADAMS
 There is no doubt whatever that these two genuinely want a ceasefire and a permanent end to violence – whatever pressures have brought them to this frame of mind, there is also little doubt that now the prospect of peace is there, they have a strong personal incentive to try and get it

 

Government official Philip John Woodfield

 

Representing the government was Frank Steele, described in the papers as a government official but known to be an MI6 agent, and Philip John Woodfield of the Northern Ireland Office.
Representing the IRA were Daithi O Conaill (described as David O’Connell in the papers) a senior republican strategist, and Gerry Adams
According to his own account, Mr Woodfield opened the meeting by setting out what the government believed to be the IRA’s terms for a ceasefire:

 

  • Political status for internees

 

  • An end of “harassment” of republicans by security forces

 

  • A meeting with the Secretary of State once the ceasefire was in place
    While he refused to offer political status, Viscount Whitelaw was prepared to suspend arrests of republicans and searches of homes.
    On the question of a meeting, Mr Woodfield said: “I said the answer was yes – but the Secretary of State must first be satisfied that the ceasefire was effective.
    IMPRESSION OF ADAMS
     Their response to every argument was reasonable and moderate – their behaviour and attitude appeared to bear no relation to the indiscriminate campaigns of bombing and shooting in which they have both been prominent leaders

     

    Government official Philip John Woodfield

     

    “There was a good deal of haggling over the time of a genuine ceasefire. Eventually we settled on 10 days, the minimum which the Secretary of State had authorised.”
    According to his notes, Mr Woodfield and Frank Steele had agreed beforehand to try and have a “normal conversation”.
    It was a strategy which seems to have helped the meeting last for almost four hours.
    “There is no doubt whatever that these two at least genuinely want a ceasefire and a permanent end to violence,” wrote Mr Woodfield.
    1972: KEY EVENTS

    30 Jan: Bloody Sunday
    22 Feb: Aldershot bombing
    24 Mar: Direct rule imposed
    26 June: IRA ceasefire
    7 July: IRA meet Whitelaw
    21 July: Bloody Friday bombing
    31 July: Operation Motorman; Claudy bombing

     

    “Whatever pressures have brought them to this frame of mind, there is also little doubt that now the prospect of peace is there, they have a strong personal incentive to try and get it.
    “They let drop several remarks that the life of the Provisional IRA man on the run is not a pleasant one.”
    Mr Woodfield said the appearance and manner of the men was “respectable and respectful”.
    “They easily referred to Mr Whitelaw as the ‘Secretary of State’ and they addressed me from time to time as ‘Sir’,” he wrote.
    “They made no bombastic defence of their past and made no attacks on the British Government.
    “Their response to every argument was reasonable and moderate.
    “Their behaviour and attitude appeared to bear no relation to the indiscriminate campaigns of bombing and shooting in which they have both been prominent leaders.”
    London talks
    On 26 June, the IRA called a “bilateral truce” and talks followed on 7 July 1972.
     The Secretary of State admitted to being emotionally exhausted – he was clearly depressed and found the experience of meeting and talking to Mr Mac Stiofain very unpleasant

     

    Prime Ministerial briefing, 1972

     

    Arriving at the secret meeting at Cheyne Walk in London were Sean Mac Stiofain, the then IRA chief of staff, Daithi O Conaill, Martin McGuinness, Gerry Adams, Seamus Twomey and Ivor Bell.
    The well documented meeting was a disaster. Sean Mac Stiofain effectively demanded the withdrawal of British security forces and the right for “Irish self determination”, the end of Northern Ireland as the IRA saw it, within a few years.
    “Mr Mac Stiofain was very much in charge,” reveals the prime ministerial briefing.
    “He made it clear that the crucial item was the declaration of intent. If that was got right, the rest would follow. So it was only worth talking about that.”
    Viscount Whitelaw said the demands could not be met because they breached his obligations to act in accordance to the will of the people of Northern Ireland.
    “The IRA leaders said the commitment should never have been given,” records the paper. “What had been enacted by Parliament could be repealed by Parliament.”
    While there had been optimism after the first meeting, there was now a sense of failure.
    “The Secretary of State admitted to being emotionally exhausted by the afternoon’s work,” the papers recall.
    “He was clearly depressed at the outcome of the meeting and found the experience of meeting and talking to Mr Mac Stiofain very unpleasant.”

 

 


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Papers released under the 30 year rule reveal Heath government plans to expel hundreds of Catholics from NI and create a Protestant-only province

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Liddle is an ex-editor/producer of the radio 4 today programme. He is a curious cross between John Humphries and John Prescott ( two sparring partners on Today during Liddle’s stewardship)a bellicose slovenly sophist for neo-liberalism.
His allusion to Being There is accurate but not with respect to Characterising Corbyn as the character Chauncey Gardner played by Peter Sellers but in the manufacturing of consent by the Oligarchical Class, among who you will find Liddle’s patrons.

I use clips from being there in this Video I made regarding manufactured political stooges from the Neo – Liberal Thought Collective.


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The Spectator Opines on Terror Weak and Wobbly on the Causes of and Remedies for Terror
Some of the Clueless drivel from the Spectator Leading Article.

Fighting terrorism requires very tough, practical measures. There is a need for surveillance, raids, arrests and incarceration, however ugly they might sometimes be. But as the intelligence services are the first to point out, they can never tackle terrorism on their own. They require the co-operation of the communities in which the terrorists shelter, and of those who offer tip-offs (a concerned family member, for instance, is understood to have prompted police to arrest a terror suspect last month in Westminster). So often the heroes of counter-terrorism operations are those Muslim families, friends, neighbours and acquaintances who, when they suspect someone close of planning a terror attack, overcome their sense of loyalty and choose to report their suspicions.
It is, of course, nonsense to say that jihadism has nothing to do with Islam. Nor can one downplay the numbers potentially involved: the intelligence services’ watch list now includes 3,000 names. The vast majority of Muslims certainly do denounce terrorism, but those who don’t represent a worryingly large pool of people. A survey last year showed four per cent of British Muslims expressing sympathy for terrorists, against just one percent for the general population.

How about the Washington Consensus Stop funding terrorist groups including Abedis´ Father it turns out to engage in Regime Change?

LIFG also appears on the US State Department’s list of Foreign Terrorist Organizations. Astoundingly, it appears under a section titled, “Delisted Foreign Terrorist Organizations,” and indicates that it was removed as recently as 2015.
Elsewhere on the US State Department’s website, is a 2012 report where LIFG is described:
On November 3, 2007, [Al Qaeda (AQ)] leader Ayman al-Zawahiri announced a formal merger between AQ and LIFG. However, on July 3, 2009, LIFG members in the United Kingdom released a statement formally disavowing any association with AQ.
The report also makes mention of LIFG’s role in US-led NATO regime change operations in Libya in 2011 (emphasis added):
In early 2011, in the wake of the Libyan revolution and the fall of Qadhafi, LIFG members created the LIFG successor group, the Libyan Islamic Movement for Change (LIMC), and became one of many rebel groups united under the umbrella of the opposition leadership known as the Transitional National Council. Former LIFG emir and LIMC leader Abdel Hakim Bil-Hajj was appointed the Libyan Transitional Council’s Tripoli military commander during the Libyan uprisings and has denied any link between his group and AQ.
Indeed, a literal senior Al Qaeda-affiliate leader would head the regime put into power by US-led military operations – which included British forces.

Sen. McCain with a terrorist leader (Source: LDR)Manchester Attack as MI6 Blowback?

According to Scotland Yard, the attack on the crowd leaving the Ariana Grande concert at Manchester Arena, 22 May, has been perpetrated by Salman Abedi. A bankcard has been conveniently found in the pocket of the mutilated corpse of the ‘terrorist’.
This attack is generally interpreted as proof that the United Kingdom is not implicated in international terrorism and that, on the contrary, it is a victim of it.
Salman Abedi was born in the UK of a family of Libyan immigrants. He has travelled to Libya several times in the last couple of months, with or without his father.
His father Ramadan Abedi, with whom Salman lived, is a former officer in [Gaddafi’s] Libyan Intelligence Services. He specialised in the surveillance of the Islamist movement, but two decades later has failed to notice that his son has joined Daesh (IS).
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In 1992, Ramadan Abedi was sent back to Libya by Britain’s MI6 and was involved in a British-devised plot to assassinate Muammar Gaddafi. The operation having been readily exposed, he was exfiltrated by MI6 and transferred back to the UK where he obtained political asylum. He moved in 1999 to Whalley Range (south of Manchester) where there was already resident a small Libyan Islamist community.
In 1994, Ramadan Abedi returned again to Libya under MI6’s direction. In late 1995 he is involved in the creation of the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG), a local branch of Al-Qaeda, in conjunction with Abdelhakim Belhadj. The LIFG was then employed by MI6 again to assassinate Gaddafi, for a payoff of £100,000. This operation, which also failed, provoked heated exchanges within British Intelligence, leading to the resignation of one David Shayler.


Manchester Alleged Suicide Bomber Linked to Libya Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG), Known to British Security & Intelligence. LIFG was Supported by NATO against Gadaffi

UK Proscribed terrorist organization, Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG), maintains large presence in Manchester area and is now being linked to recent blast.

As suspected and as was the case in virtually all recent terror attacks carried out in Europe – including both in France and Belgium – the suspect involved in the recent Manchester blast which killed 22 and injured scores more was previously known to British security and intelligence agencies.
Salman Abedi (image on the right, source: LDR), 22, who was reportedly known to the security services, is thought to have returned from Libya as recently as this week.
While initial reports attempted to craft a narrative focused on a a “lone wolf” attacker who organized and executed the blast himself, the nature of the improvised explosive device used and the details of the attack revealed what was certainly an operation carried out by someone who either acquired militant experience through direct contact with a terrorist organization, or was directed by a terrorist organization with extensive experience.
A Thriving Terrorist Community in the Midst of Manchester 
The same Telegraph article would also admit (emphasis added):
A group of Gaddafi dissidents, who were members of the outlawed Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG), lived within close proximity to Abedi in Whalley Range.
Among them was Abd al-Baset Azzouz, a father-of-four from Manchester, who left Britain to run a terrorist network in Libya overseen by Ayman al-Zawahiri, Osama bin Laden’s successor as leader of al-Qaeda. 
Azzouz, 48, an expert bomb-maker, was accused of running an al-Qaeda network in eastern Libya. The Telegraph reported in 2014 that Azzouz had 200 to 300 militants under his control and was an expert in bomb-making. 
Another member of the Libyan community in Manchester, Salah Aboaoba told Channel 4 news in 2011 that he had been fund raising for LIFG while in the city. Aboaoba had claimed he had raised funds at Didsbury mosque, the same mosque attended by Abedi.

“This sort of attack is not False Flag but given the convenience to
Mrs May at this time it may well be that deep state actors have not been doing their job properly? it is



MANCHESTER TERROR ATTACK , A REICHSTAG FIRE MOMENT FOR MRS MAY?


 



Roger Lewis The tragic outrage in Manchester is a Reichstag Moment for Mrs May. Already the distraction is evident and the front page of the BBC news Web site both, for general News and the Election 2017 section is a Reset of the whole campaign up until now.
The Labour Party needs to reach out to Tommy Robinson and also the Responsible and mainstream leadership of peaceful Islam to Confirm The Islamicist extremism that does exist in the Uk and across Europe.





TERRORISM , RAPE, POLITICS AND RELIGION. A GUIDE FOR THE PERPLEXED.



This Blog is by way of explication of the Video 
entitled COBRA, The PoliticalClass, Islamicist political terrorism, 

William Blake, “You read Black I read White”.


Recent events in Manchester and a wider debate regarding Rape

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THERESA MAY IS A CUNT.CONSERVATIVE UNDER NARROW TERMS (CUNT) BUT WHOLLY NEO LIBERAL.

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Theresa may is a CUNT that is a Conservative under narrow terms. Theresa May is not a conservative and like Blairs Labour Party she represents the extreme fascist ideology of Neo-Liberalism.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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TORY WETS AGINST THERESA. TWAT´S. SAY NO TO CUNTS

Reports have reached the ear of your correspondent that the little-remembered grouping of Conservatives from the 1980´s the Wets have formed an alliance against the Neo-Liberal infiltration of their party by the CUNT´s ( Conservatives under narrow terms). It is I am told likely that some Wet CUNT´s may defect to the TWAT campaign. The Conservatives who had already felt more comfortable with The UKIP TWATs grouping are considering defecting to the Tory TWAT camp.
The Wet TWATS allied with the Wet CUNT´s may well cause concern in both the Blairite CUNT wing of the NEW Labour neo-liberals And The Lib Dems who are CUNTs personified in any event.



Here your correspondence lets the Lib Dem CUNTs express themselves in their own words, some may think it best to allow them to stew in their own juices.