More on EROI, Letting the Greens know the Score. Evidence not rhetoric towards an Energy Based Economics.

This lonely blue planet is the nearest thing we have to paradise. We are hunting through the universe for similar life supporting zones, so far nothing even slightly resembling this blue dot has been found. We are sending out messages in the hope that somewhere, somehow, they will be picked up by other life forms. Maybe they should have been Mayday messages, for knowing, as we do, that this blue paradise is all we have, we cannot bring ourselves to respect it, enhance it, protect it.

As I write, hurricane Harvey is preparing for another onslaught on Houston and the surrounding areas. There has never before been a storm…
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Marion Billington
Marion Billington Beautiful ideas expressed here! Thank you for sharing this with me!

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Pippa Bartolotti Thank you Marion, very much. I am now in a position to start writing again for Coexist, and it would be really good if you could help to get us a few more followers xx

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Roger Lewis Hi Pippa, ALien Species would probably look upon us if they found us as something like the Osbournes at home and we are probably already reality TV stars there without even knowing it. WOuld you pop round for a bowl of sugar if you were them, bear in mind to get to us from wherever they come from they would be far in advance of anything we have dreamt of in science fiction let alone achieved.
That Aside there are lots of reasons to be optimistic that consciousness will in time emerge ahead of egotism, and tolerance emerges ahead of prejudice.
The tendency of we humans to see ourselves as rather more significant than we are and to believe we know rather more than we do by filling in the gaps with imaginings justified by arguments to authority is nothing short of Staggering, we do a pretty fancy line in a peculiar sort of stupid and all the while it is difficult not to admire the resourcefulness and beauty of our fellow human beings, the best of humanity is really rather spiffing.
I have spent a good year now delving deeply into the World of Pelagius and the political development of the dogmas of the early Christian Church.
Pelagius and Augustine had quite a dust up. Pelagius said this and I must say I am rather apt to agree with him.

“We must now take precautions to prevent you from being embarrassed by something in which the ignorant majority is at fault for lack of proper consideration, and so from supposing with them, that man has not been created truly good simply because he is able to do evil. … If you reconsider this matter carefully and force your mind to apply a more acute understanding to it, it will be revealed to you that man’s status is better and higher for the very reason for which it is thought to be inferior: it is on this choice between two ways, on this freedom to choose either alternative, that the glory of the rational mind is based, it is in this that the whole honor of our nature consists, it is from this that its dignity is derived.”

Pelagius and Augustine had a beef over the notion of free will or determinism, the details turn out to be really quite important, I agree with David Graeber that this question which goes back to Parmenides and Heriletus and lies at the heart of pretty much all the politics and philosophy that flows from then and still divides certainly Western Philosophical Thought, including quite clearly Science and Mathematics.

Anyway long story short. The Ability of our Human Family to thrive rests in the most efficient use of Energy available to apply to our well being this sort of appraisal of how to manage our Energy resources can only be achieved with an objective measure of what is a good use of Energy , profitable in the sense that more comes out from what is put in. The measure which has had some work done of in is Energy Returned on Energy invested EROI, 
Looked at this way one sees that if we wish to take care of our whole human family we need to understand that all our energy resources including the Conventional Oil and Gas and Coal are essential to transferring to a renewable energy World once the Conventional Fossil Fuels run out, The more extreme policies advocated against nuclear and Fossil fuels will guarantee some pretty harsh and fatal conditions for several Billions of our brothers and sisters already here on Earth: 

http://letthemconfectsweeterlies.blogspot.se/…/renewabl…

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Pippa Bartolotti Heretics are always so seductive. “We must now take precautions to prevent you from being embarrassed by something in which the ignorant majority is at fault for lack of proper consideration” – Pelagius might have something to say about Brexit! I agree your EREI assessment. History might like to define the nature of our current society in terms of energy, though society itself probably thinks it is defined in terms of money. There is no essential reason to link them. And although the fossil fuel is a stepping stone to renewable energy, we are getting better (due to massive investment, subsidies etc) at getting the black stuff to market than than the renewables ( because of lack of investment, political will…). That is the problem. Burning more seems to be folly in view of the warming. I don’t think apportioning blame to humans for the warming is appropriate in this debate, but blame there is if we don’t stop it. We have the power, the technology, the information. The price to pay is likely to be a great deal more than embarrassment.

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Roger Lewis Pippa, I think you are missing the point.
Without all our resources including coal, oil and natural gas also Nuclear ( in form of MSWR Thorium) then renewable will not be able to sustain the human family at current levels. EROI is a qualitative objecti
ve measurement of Well being as related to energy resources.
To maintain a level of resources necessary to sustain 9 billions´ in 20 years all sources of energy need to be employed to develop to a level where a portfolio of Hydro, Wind, SOlar, Geo Thermal, and Thorium / Nuclear can take us forward. Notice that I leave out Tar sands and Shale Gas7Fracking, these have a less than cut off point EROI and leaving them in the ground makes perfect sense.
The Warming/Cooling cycles in climate are not something Man can control to any significant extent (safely)or (Practically) what humanity does effect is the ability of Bread to be placed on the table for our kinsfolk, this will not be possible for 9 Billions of people if Optimum use is not made of all resources in a transition period.
The wider question about EROI in society is well set out in this paper.
https://mahb.stanford.edu/…/energy-policy_Lambert_et.al…
“There is evidence too that once payments
for energy rise above a certain threshold at the national level (e.g.
approximately 10 percent in the United States) that economic
recessions follow (Hamilton, 2009; Hall et al., 2009; Murphy et al.,
2011). Despite the best intentions of improving net energy balances
for a developing nation, the large-scale introduction of renewable
energy generation may have too low an EROI and may prove too
expensive to facilitate continued growth in developing economies”.

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Roger Lewis energy invested at stages of Oil production

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Roger Lewis Depending on how refurbishment, EROI is calculated both solar and wind are impacted by assumptions regarding refurbishment/re purposing at end of useful life and also energy storage capacity installed with generation, the present state of the art debate relates to the Intermittency and grid balancing questions which some argue as a false subsidy to WInd and solar if not acknowledged?
That’s a bit clumsy but the full blog goes into it and points to articles that explain it. 
To Talk about Global Warming and CO2 as an index signifier of something must be done is to trivialize the whole question of energy policy and how totally fundamental energy is to our level of “Civilisation” /Development. 
Much Green energy policy is in fact prejudiced against developing countries and centered really around metropolitan elite concepts of how the world “is “and “ought” to be.
On Heretics, I do not believe in it as a category of thought, it is a political category of censorship. Pelagius made his arguments and Augustine made his, they are both worth reading in my opinion, and as with Parmenides and Heraclitus, I personally fall with Free Will, a church of the gospels and not the political hierarchical church of a vengeful smiting God. It is the church of determinism and authority that has the Smiting stuff Pippa, and of course, the misanthropy which attends to that brand of politics sits well with much of the Green Party´s Rhetoric, I am thinking of this performance of Johnathan Bartley which I must say is pathetic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ooq_ZCmSIcY

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Roger Lewis Hi Pippa I am doing a lot of work on this at the moment, which will take several months more this 2012 document is a very good summary well worth reading 
http://www.roboticscaucus.org/…/DFID_Report1_2012_11_04…

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From DFID Doc Conclusions.
“Conclusions In conclusion, the world’s most important fuels, oil, and gas, have declining EROI values. As oil and gas provide roughly 60- 65 percent of the world’s energy this will likely have enormous economic consequences for many national economies. Coal, although abundant, is very unevenly distributed, has large environmental impacts and has an EROI that depends greatly on the region mined. While EROI analyses generate numerical assessments using quantitative data that include many production factors, they do not include other important data such as climate change, air quality, health benefits, and other environmental qualities that are considered “externalities” to these analyses. These could, with difficulty, be worked into more comprehensive EROIs in the future. Most alternative renewable energy sources appear, at this time, to have a considerably lower EROI values than any of the nonrenewable fossil fuels. But Wind and Photovoltaic energy are touted as having environmental benefits which may be substantial. These benefits may, in fact, have larger initial carbon footprints than originally suggested. Factors such as the oil, natural gas, and coal employed in the creation, transport and implementation of wind turbine and PV panels may not be adequately represented in some cost-benefit analysis nor have the energy costs pertaining to intermittency. On the positive side, the fact that their output is high-quality electricity needs to be considered as well. Perhaps most importantly, resource quality, as measured by high EROI, provided the fuel required for economic growth and activity. Our future prosperity will almost certainly depend on our ability to adjust to lower or negative growth of our principle fuels even while EROI values are likely to decline. This will require a more biophysically-based approach to our understanding of economics. A future of declining energy availability need not be an undesirable future for many reasons including the enormous inefficiency with which we use energy in our economy. This will require engineers, politicians and economists to think very differently about what is important. We believe that very high on this new list needs to be a much greater emphasis on thinking about growth, including both economic and population, climate change, and tools and policies that lead to genuine sustainability. “

EROI of Global Energy Resources Preliminary Status and Trends Jessica Lambert, Charles Hall, Steve Balogh, Alex Poisson, and Ajay Gupta State University of New York, College of Environmental Science and Forestry.

A Comment left on the original COEXIST article.

This article is the basis of a discussion I was invited to by  Pippa Bartolotti, former leader of the Green Party of Wales. Pippa is an inspirational person who I admire very much.
In common with the Green Party ( as political Entity) and the Inevitable spin that all Politics retreats into, particularly the Green Party of England and Wales manifesto of 2017, as opposed to the 2015 effort which was head and shoulders above 2017´s risible effort, shows.
Whilst I agree with many of the sentiments in this article I do find it long on rhetoric and very short on Evidence. A tragic event prevented as a self evident truth is not Evidence it is a Faith Based appeal to the faithful, that way lies a lot of pitfalls particularly in items where evidence can with patience be presented.
Jeremy Bentham had this to say on Self-evident truths.
“They are about “to assume,” as they tell us, “among the powers of the earth, that equal and separate ( 120 ) station to which” — they have lately discovered — “the laws of Nature, and of Nature’s God entitle them.” What difference these acute legislators suppose between the laws of Nature and of Nature’s God, is more than I can take upon me to determine, or even to guess. If to what they now demand they were entitled by any law of God, they had only to produce that law, and all controversy was at an end. Instead of this, what do they produce? What they call sell-evident truths. “All men,” they tell us, “are created equal.” This rarity is a new discovery; now, for the first time, we learn, that a child, at the moment of his birth, has the same quantity of natural power as the parent, the same quantity of political power as the magistrate”.
https://persistentenlightenment.com/…/details/cihm_20519

To wit, some evidence and debate no less, always bearing in mind that in Settled Seance 97% of Mediums agree that communication with the dead exists.
https://twitter.com/RogerGLewis/status/902786478371196928

http://letthemconfectsweeterlies.blogspot.se/2017/08/more-on-eroi-letting-greens-know-score.html

That Humans are both God and Satan, we can leave for another day,
“We must now take precautions to prevent you from being embarrassed by something in which the ignorant majority is at fault for lack of proper consideration, and so from supposing with them, that man has not been created truly good simply because he is able to do evil. … If you reconsider this matter carefully and force your mind to apply a more acute understanding to it, it will be revealed to you that man’s status is better and higher for the very reason for which it is thought to be inferior: it is on this choice between two ways, on this freedom to choose either alternative, that the glory of the rational mind is based, it is in this that the whole honor of our nature consists, it is from this that its dignity is derived.” Pelagius.

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Activist Teacher: Climate stupidity and human survival. Category:Denis G Rancourt

Activist Teacher: Climate stupidity and human survival: By Denis G. Rancourt This article accompanies a 2-hour public lecture I gave at the University of Ottawa on March 27, 2015, entitled …


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https://www.forbes.com/sites/uhenergy/2016/12/14/fact-checking-the-97-consensus-on-anthropogenic-climate-change/#2d001cc91157

Fact Checking The Claim Of 97% Consensus On Anthropogenic Climate Change

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The claim that there is a 97% consensus among scientists that humans are the cause of global warming is widely made in climate change literature and by political figures. It has been heavily publicized, often in the form of pie charts, as illustrated by this figure from the Consensus Project.
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Pertaining to Denis G Rancourt and his writings
Denis G. Rancourt was a tenured and full professor at the University of Ottawa in Canada. He was trained as a physicist and practiced physics, Earth sciences, and environmental science, areas in which he was funded by a national agency and ran an internationally recognized laboratory. He published over 100 articles in leading scientific journals. He developed popular activism courses and was an outspoken critic of the university administration and a defender of Palestinian rights. He was fired for his dissidence in 2009 by a president who is a staunch supporter of Israeli policy. (See Academic Freedom.ca)

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Sticking it to the Dismal Science, Varafoukis rearranges the dekhchairs , EROI or Bust

Comment Roger Lewis AUG 30, 2017

Mr. Varafoukis makes the mistake all Economists make. Money is a variable and not good as a measure. Resources are the basis of wealth and Energy is the basis of converting resources into wealth. We face energy constraints because the Energy Return on Energy invested has fallen drastically for conventional Fossil Fuels, whilst we can generate sufficient energy we will struggle to do so at the very high EROI levels we have enjoyed for the 20th Century. Our average EROI in the coming century is unknown but wind power Solar and Hydro together with some Nuclear ( Thorium, SWR) will be probably around 10-15 ( more work needs to be done on this, Steve Keen has started to try to get his head around it, Yannis would do well to chat it through with his Australian Freind)
The point is that Money needs to be rebased to entropic physical realities and pretending that Old Economic Thinking will have any place in the future of our Energy economy realities is magical thinking. What Mr. Varafoukis suggests is nothing more than re arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.
Mr. Varafoukis in this short piece can be given the benefit of the doubt as to his grasp of horizontalist and Verticalist niceties, ( Basil Moore, http://letthemconfectsweeterlies.blogspot.se/2017/08/economic-models-and-political-economy.html) (fundamentally though the whole premise of Mr. Varafoukis´s article is incorrect. Energy and Energy returned on Energy invest will be the determinant of future economic realities and the World can no longer stand by and leave the practitioners of the dismal science to play with the Trainset of Political Economy.

http://letthemconfectsweeterlies.blogspot.se/2017/08/renewableseroi-why-money-doesnt-cut-it.html

For a Basic reader on Money, Qua Money Try this

http://letthemconfectsweeterlies.blogspot.se/2016/08/neo-liberalism-billy-no-mates-or-just.html READ MORE

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AUG 29, 2017 8

The Promise of Fiscal Money

ATHENS – Western capitalism has few sacred cows left. It is time to question one of them: the independence of central banks from elected governments.
The rationale for entrusting monetary policy fully to central banks is well understood: politicians, overly tempted during the electoral cycle to create more money, pose a threat to economic stability. While progressives have always protested that central banks can never be truly independent, because their autonomy from elected officials increases their dependence on the financiers they are meant to keep in check, the argument in favor of removing monetary policy from democratic politics has prevailed since the 1970s.

Renewables,EROI Why Money Doesn´t cut it when making Energy Investment Decisions!

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Why Money is such a bad metric for Energy investment decisions. EROI, Towards an Energy-Based Economics. More Notes from the Digital Coalface.

This is a notebook post of discussions on and critiques of Energy generation replacement solutions for when Oil / Gas and Coal Run out? The basis of our calculations are best informed in terms of EROI (Energy Return on Investment) The Production of future energy plant from the present optimal energy portfolio is very important and also a Grown-up discussion about Nuclear energy ( Including and particularly Thorium) must be påart of that discussion.
It is energy that provides prosperity not monetary measures of the distribution of energy wealth. Energy Infrastructure like other fundamental infrastructure provides the fundamental building blocks for our current level of Civilisation it is a common good and Energy Markets distort the realities of what optimal levels of energy output can be. The more energy we can produce the better, high levels of EROI lead to better wellbeing outcomes.
https://mahb.stanford.edu/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/energy-policy_Lambert_et.al_2013.pdf 

Assumptions of Artifical scarcity and indeed actual reductions in energy outputs of energy resources leads to the destruction of human life, similarly, waste generated by a need to provide artificial scarcity to support monopoly profit levels of price also lead to environmental destruction.
I have already started compiling notes on this question in these 3 previous blogs.
http://letthemconfectsweeterlies.blogspot.se/2017/08/conquestofdough-squaring-energy-food.html

http://letthemconfectsweeterlies.blogspot.se/2017/08/feeding-world-malthus-wasnt-such.html

http://letthemconfectsweeterlies.blogspot.se/2017/08/technocracy-energy-based-economics.html

http://www.themoneysyndrome.org/index.php/publisher/

The English version of THE MONEY SYNDROME is now available in the United Kingdom on a books-on-demand basis. It can be ordered from Fast-Print Publishing ISBN: 9781844268573
The majority of literature dealing with problems in the economy or associated fields, such as society and the environment, concentrates mainly on decisions made in economic, financial or political institutions and organizations and offers solutions on these planes. Little attention, however, is paid to money itself, which is usually taken for granted and only appreciated as a useful tool in everyday life. After all, what should be wrong with it? And yet, looking closely at various phenomena, at processes that don’t develop as they are supposed to, it is almost always possible to find the root cause in a tiny flaw in the structure of this otherwise handy tool. The conflict arises from the contradiction between money as a medium of exchange and as a means for saving the value. It cannot fulfil both functions at the same time. Getting storable money back into circulation demands interest and compound interest.

Chapter 18 The Scale of Interest in the Corporate Sector “The entrepreneur is a worker who earns his wages with the profit of the enterprise, which remains from the gains after the banks have deducted the interest payments, which the entrepreneur has to first take from the workers. Insofar, the profit of the enterprise is not an antithesis to wage-labour, but only to interest.” Karl Marx * In the corporate sector, too, the interest burden has increased over-proportionally in step with indebtedness. This is true when measured not only against the output, but also in relation to tangible assets procured through credit, or credit secured by the value of tangible assets (see Chapter 15). According to documents of the Federal Authority of Statistics, the interest burden of West German manufacturing companies for the year 1970 was 37 billion DM and amounted to eight per cent of net worth, for 1993 with an interest burden of 272 billion DM it amounted to 15 per cent. If the interest burden of 272 billion DM was allocated to the 23 million employees in the corporate sector, then in 1993 every workplace had to bear an interest burden of 12,000 DM, in 1988 – that is five years earlier and at the beginning of the high-interest phase – it was just half the burden. To what extent the gap widened between net worth and interest payments made by West German companies in the years between 1970 to 1993 (after that the West German figures were no longer reported separately) can be seen in figure 49.

How large is the total of interest-bearing assets? The replaceable fixed assets (buildings and equipment) in Germany were estimated to have a net replaceable value (current value!) of 10,300 billion DM at the end of 1996/beginning of 97. Together with supplies in the economy and public civil engineering, it amounts to 12,500 billion DM. If the land and economically productive resources are added to an amount of 3,500 billion DM (the current market value of real estate in the hands of private households alone in the year 1997 was given to be 2,500 billion DM by the Deutsche Bundesbank!), then the result is a sum of 16,000 billion DM for the total value of national tangible fixed assets. These figures then describe the situation for the year 1997, which is shown graphically in figure 51. To make the ratios clearer, the areas in the figure are proportional to the approximate DM-figures. The dimension of the total tangible assets in Germany is shown as a rectangular block and the aggregate output as a circle. A quarter of the assets block is apportioned as privately owned share – largely as housing property – with a value of 4,000 billion DM. The remaining part of the block, which has a value of 12,000 billion DM, corresponds to the economically productive and interest-bearing tangible assets. Straddling both parts, as of 1996, the total level of debts standing at 8,500 billion DM, is shown as the grey area. Figure 51

As one seldom can have a look into private calculations, the calculations of some public prices are given, as examples, as they appear in the budget of the City of Nuremberg for 1991 in figure 52.

If labour costs and depreciation are particularly low, then interest charges dominate the pricing to quite a large extent – as in the calculation of the rent. If one assumes an interest rate of only 5 per cent and a depreciation rate over a hundred years (as is usually assumed for residential housing), then the owner or tenant – over and above the one-off one hundred years depreciation charge – has to pay, in addition the construction costs, virtually five times over due to interest charges. Or, in other words (and this holds good for all tangible assets!), all material commodities used in a political economy are financed once again every twenty years as a result of interest charges. And that quite apart from the depreciation costs, which guarantee the asset replacement and which are included in all prices! For example, if rents are felt to be too high, the reason would not be the unscrupulous character of the landlord (the houses owned by the trade union ‘Neue Heimat’
were not any cheaper, either!), but the fact that all tangible assets in our economic system have to be serviced with interest payments throughout their lifetime. Attention is drawn to the fact that in all the calculation examples up to this point, the total interest cost that is included in them has not been considered, but only those costs that have entered the final level of the calculation. The material costs entering the calculations consist, once again – see figure 19 – of labour costs and capital costs to varying extents, which in turn are formed at the respective previous level. In contrast to value-added tax, the amounts of which that have been charged in each succeeding step can be identified, this is not the case with hidden interest charges. There is only a constantly increasing accumulation.

https://realcurrencies.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/monsyndrome_ch-7-18-21-22-1.pdf

Wind Power–Some Basic Facts

August 12, 2017
tags: wind power
By Paul Homewood
We see many glowing articles about wind power, and renewable lobbyists, such as Renewable UK, are often given undue space in the media to peddle mistruths.
This article is designed to lay out some of the basic facts. It will naturally concentrate mainly on the UK, but I believe it will have relevance elsewhere too.
Renewable lobbyists like to emphasise how “clean” wind power is, and how many tonnes of CO2 are saved.
Others will argue that wind farms are a long way from being environmentally friendly, and arguably save little CO2 anyway.
I am not going to get into these debates, as they are subjective, and therefore not relevant to the objective analysis.

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Windpower and other Renewable energy sources are not mutually exclusive to fossil fuels. Using a straight Dollar metric is actually also an arbitrary and silly metric. Monetary values are variable and also highly subjective.
Comparing Renewables to Extracted Hydro Carbons demands a rather more sensible metric such as energy returned on energy expended.
When one looks at these questions particularly with respect to energy poverty concerns it has been clear for some considerable time that due to the exponential function Human energy needs will outstrip the ability of Traditional sources to provide energy requirements sufficient to help with bringing developing nations up to the developed world’s standard of living.
This Video from 1976 makes the case very well.
with respect to Grid and balancing the grid etc, Battery technology and other ways of storing peak output from Solar and Wind and tidal such as hydrogen fuel cells or Off Peak/Peak electric vehicle network pooling all point to the good news that if like me you are a cornucopian in outlook and Libertarian by doing more with less and harnessing all our options we should be optimistic about the future. The monetary metric of economic progress is highly flawed and for that reason, I think the Author of this piece leaves a lot from his analysis.
http://letthemconfectsweeterlies.blogspot.se/2017/07/electric-cars-hybrids-renewables.html
  • If you care about the poor even a little bit you should realizes that the best and simplest way to make their lives better is through cheap energy. There is no C in AGW so stop hurting the poor by denying them the basic building blocks of prosperity.
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    • Prof Keen is a fine Monetary Theorist and not so strong on the ol´ Atmospheric Physics. Readers and watchers might find the Rocket Science Journal of assistance in Explaining what is singularly garbled in this presentation at 46 mins.
      On the Limits for Growth please also take account of the criticisms of the assumed boundary conditions, again a source of confusion in Prof Keens explanations in this video.
      Robert Solow from MIT argued that prediction in The Limits to Growth was based on a weak foundation of data (Newsweek, March 13, 1972, p. 103). Allen Kneese and Ronald Riker of Resources for the Future (RFF) stated:
      The authors load their case by letting some things grow exponentially and others not. Population, capital and pollution grow exponentially in all models, but technologies for expanding resources and controlling pollution are permitted to grow, if at all, only in discrete increments.[27]
  • Hamsters running wheels in sufficient quantity can power a city. Should we be pursuing hamster power?
    I cringe everytime I hear the frankly idiotic statement of “pursuing all our options”. Only an ignorant or willfully blind person says that. Intelligent ones says “pursuing all our practical and well-functioning, independent options”. My senators fall under the former catagory and I cringe at the stupidity of those elected to office daily.
  • This may be of interest:
    Especially Phase 2 where they conclude:
    The negative impact of cycling on overall plant emissions is relatively small. The increase in plant emissions from cycling to accommodate variable renewables is more than offset by the overall reduction in carbon dioxide (CO2), nitrogen oxide (NOx), and sulfur dioxide (SO2). In the high wind and solar scenario, net carbon emissions were reduced by one-third.
    Operating costs increase by 2%–5% on average for fossil-fueled plants when high penetrations of variable renewables are added to the electric grid.
    From a system perspective, these increased costs are relatively small compared to the fuel savings associated with wind and solar generation.
    Cycling costs vary based on penetration level and wind/solar mix.
  • Using a straight Dollar metric is actually also an arbitrary and silly metric. Monetary values are variable and also highly subjective.
    Money is actually the best, most reliable, and unbiased indicator. If a company can generate electricity, pay for all the inputs, and make a profit the total economic utility has been increased over the raw inputs. If the company cannot earn a profit total utility has not increased.
    • How so? The worlds money supply has doubled in the 9 years since the 2008 financial crisis, Incomes have not doubled and neither have most peoples savings. The transfer function of wealth through Interest Charges and also priority and first mover advantage with those with first use of newly created debt based bank credit make Money as biased a unit as well as a highly variable unit of measurement you could hope to invent, of course you do not need to invent it because it already exists.
      “”Who hasn’t experienced the following? Just the other day
      it happened to me! Just like any other weekend, I went
      to the supermarket to replenish my empty pantry and as
      always, I made the mandatory stop at the fresh produce
      section, where I placed some tomatoes in one of those
      little plastic bags that you tear from a dispenser. As
      always, I went to one of those electronic scales full of
      those colourful figures that represent the different
      produce: I put the bag on the scale and pushed the key
      with the little tomato on it. And oh my God, the
      following message appeared on the screen! “Error: This
      scale has run out of grams. Please excuse the
      inconvenience”. What a pain and just at the worst
      moment! But then again, we all know that given the
      times, grams are scarce…””
      Introduction to Technocracy – 1933
      https://archive.org/details/introductiontotec00tech
      discussions — of ‘value,’ of fluctuating prices, of the gold standard, of changing interest rates, of items of pecuniary wealth which are at the same time items of debt — are
      merely discussions looking toward a readjustment of the factors which prevent them
      The problem of analysing political choices against the metric of a Monetary measure is the Money as a Thing is most certainly a Variable and as any good technologist, scientist or metrologist will tell you a unit of measurement has to be clearly defined and fixed.
      The dollar. He notes that it is a variable. Why anyone should attempt, on this earth, to use a
      variable as a measuring rod is so utterly absurd that he dismisses any serious
      consideration of its use in his study of what should be done.
      He also considers ‘price’ and ‘value’ and the fine- spun theories of philosophers and
      economists who have attempted to surround these terms with the semblance of meaning.
      These terms, like the monetary unit, may have had meaning to men in the past but they
      mean nothing whatsoever to the modern technologist. The standard of measurement is
      not relevant to the things measured; and the measuring rod and the things, measured as if
      they were stable, are all variables.
      This comparison of different energy solution uses ERIO
      https://festkoerper-kernphysik.de/Weissbach_EROI_preprint.pdf
      Abstract
      The Energy Returned on Invested, EROI, has been evaluated for typical power plants representing wind
      energy, photovoltaics, solar thermal, hydro, natural gas, biogas, coal and nuclear power. The strict exergy
      concept with no ”primary energy weighting”, updated material databases, and updated technical procedures
      make it possible to directly compare the overall efficiency of those power plants on a uniform mathematical
      and physical basis. Pump storage systems, needed for solar and wind energy, have been included in the
      EROI so that the efficiency can be compared with an ”unbuffered” scenario. The results show that nuclear,
      hydro, coal, and natural gas power systems (in this order) are one order of magnitude more effective than
      photovoltaics and wind power.
      Keywords:
      ERoEI, EROI, energy return on invested, energy intensity, energy payback time, life cycle assessment
      This is from 2013 and storage solutions to utilise peak generation of both wind and solar and to provide supply when generation is not possible to have improved since 2013 and will continue to improve. This is another interesting thing about the Time value of money basis of comparison it leads to short term solutions being preferred over long term ones explained by Berard Lietaer here.

      I Made these interactive Quizzes based upon the Positive Money Quiz By David Faraday
      and the money creation Survey of MP´s
      For people who are surprised with the claims I make above please take the quiz see how much you know about money? many people are surprised about how little they really know.
    • Hi, It doesn´t add up, that is a great article. With respect to the Boundary conditions assumed and implied the techniques of analysis simply need to be developed and implemented. As the article points out Green Fascist Misanthropes should not be allowed to push their agendas against Coal and Gas whilst I agree with Greens that Fracking and Tar sands are something we can afford and should leave in the ground for environmental health reasons. ( both Human and ecological).Hydro Electric and Thorium Nuclear will I am sure to be figuring in our energy future as will wind and solar Solar breeders pose some very interesting possibilities, as do circular economy approaches to Energy Production Plant.
      EROEI under rapid growth[edit]
      A related recent concern is energy cannibalism where energy technologies can have a limited growth rate if climate neutrality is demanded. Many energy technologies are capable of replacing significant volumes of fossil fuels and concomitant greenhouse gas emissions. Unfortunately, neither the enormous scale of the current fossil fuel energy system nor the necessary growth rate of these technologies is well understood within the limits imposed by the net energy produced for a growing industry. This technical limitation is known as energy cannibalism and refers to an effect where rapid growth of entire energy producing or energy efficiency industry creates a need for energy that uses (or cannibalizes) the energy of existing power plants or production plants.[37]
      The solar breeder overcomes some of these problems. A solar breeder is a photovoltaic panel manufacturing plant which can be made energy-independent by using energy derived from its own roof using its own panels. Such a plant becomes not only energy self-sufficient but a major supplier of new energy, hence the name solar breeder. Research on the concept was conducted by Centre for Photovoltaic Engineering, University of New South Wales, Australia.[38][39] The reported investigation establishes certain mathematical relationships for the solar breeder which clearly indicate that a vast amount of net energy is available from such a plant for the indefinite future.[40] The solar module processing plant at Frederick, Maryland[41] was originally planned as such a solar breeder. In 2009 the Sahara Solar Breeder Project was proposed by the Science Council of Japan as cooperation between Japan and Algeria with the highly ambitious goal of creating hundreds of GW of capacity within 30 years.[42] Theoretically, breeders of any kind can be developed. In practice, nuclear breeder reactors are the only large scale breeders that have been constructed as of 2014, with the 600 MWe BN-600 and 800 MWe BN-800 reactor, the two largest in operation.
  • I for one am glad that the power supplied to the hospital I have spent the last 3 days in was from coal generation! There is no wind tonight and no turbines within a hundred miles. There are no solar panels on the roof of the hospital and it is nighttime. So all you grid-scale wind and solar alternative supporters can take a hike.
    • Get well soon, here’s some interesting stuff which may or may not re-enforce your preferences.
      For high ölevels of energy to be available for increased production the new technologies as they develop will actually be most welcome. The Climate Change AGW Nazis can take a Hike I agree with you but so can debt-based fiat money and Energy monopolies, Localised Grid technology will be a great boon to SME and entrepreneurial Economies, The Bureaucrats are very scared of this as off-grid/ Localised Permaculture and autonomous local economies will make centralises control by taxation very difficult.
      The Scientific and technological question is quite apart from the Political Economy questions my own entrepreneurial Instincts embrace both localised power production and decentralised Cryptocurrencies.
      • The traditional grid is basically local, with transmission lines providing balancing and backup capability in the event of local maintenance or failure. The renewables grid is basically long distance, requiring much greater transmission capacity and routing alternatives. Governments raise most of their taxes on incomes and sales and have little difficulty in doing so. It will be the green utility companies that depend on being able to screw their customers for government-mandated subsidies that have most to lose from any move away from grid connection. Their production will be in harmony with the off-grid stuff – the need for reliable backup is the one thing that does remain if you go off-grid At small scale, that’s a fossil fuel powered generator, or a grid connection to reliable nuclear or fossil fuel power.
    • Much of the time when Wind turbines are stationary it is because the grid is not calling for power and the turbine blades shed load so as not to generate.
      solar, of course, relies on Sunlight so of course do not generate at Night. When the wind does not Blow of course turbines do not produce
      If you look at the comment I had an exchange with an Older Gent from The Welsh Valleys where I myself was born, there are over stated cases for Renewables and there are also very questionable Energy Pricing schemes in Australia as laid out in the discussion I had there.
      The modus operandi should put people first and adopt horses for courses. Let’s not cook our own books to compete with mendacious Climate Alarmists and Misanthropes.
      • this data suggesting that Wind Turbines are somewhat more profitable even with out subsidies than your Kettle boiling reasoning seems to suggest?http://www.variablepitch.co.uk/finance/station/386/ In the pat 12 months Cheyne court it is claimed has produced just shy of Ten Millon Ponds sterling worth of Electricity.
        The CO2 Warming Schtick is very annoying and I am with you on that but it seems to me that where we complain of the ´Ópposition´cooking the books we need to be a little more careful with our own data.
      • ¿Qué? Wind gets priority dispatch unless there are transmission constraints, in which case production is curtailed and compensation paid. Transmission constraints occur when wind generation is close to maximum – there simply isn’t the transmission capacity to route the power to centres of demand. For reasons of safety, turbines will be feathered and still rotate (but produce no or much reduced power) in these conditions. They will NOT be stationary.
        You can see curtailment in action in this chart that compares forecast wind generation with actual – at high levels of forecast, actual generation is curtailed (in the UK because of lack of transmission capacity from and through Scotland):
Wind turbines are strictly an 18th Century technology, and a bad one at that. The future of energy production is obviously molten salt reactors. China and India recognize that fact and will likely beat us to the market. As I recall, China, had been errecting windmills at a fast pace and was continually being cited (along with the usual nominee – Denmark) as an enlightened nation (China was actually most enthusiastic about nuclear power, not wind, which, as I recall was concentrated well away from the coast and larger population centers) . A few months ago, I recall that China issued a ban on any new windmills because they were disrupting their grid.
The fallacy that wind proponents (who seem to lie more than even global warmists) advanced were always “studies” that “proved” that a grid with 35% wind power would not be disrupted – the grid “could handle it.” Never mentioned were the actions and cost required for the grid to “accept 35% wind”.
    • Hi Arthur, I completely accept the premise that some advocates of Wind Energy are more than capable of lying and overstating their case, that said Balancing Grids and Storage of excess capacity are possibilities and Smart CHarging and Localised Grid network technology are all more than capable of ironing out technical difficulties. I do subscribe to the saying there are no problems only Solutions and Better questions lead to better answers.
      I too convinced about the potentials of Molten Salt )( Thorium) reactors but also believe that localised networks will in some areas see the benefits of other renewables meeting the demands on some cases.
      China is a Command and Control economy, I do not wish to see that in the west, The Washington Consensus under Debt Based Fiat money and financialised Capitalism is pretty much Stalinist now as well though with this is mind I am very keen to see all new energy solutions particularly those that do not barriers to entry are developed to their fullest potential including WIND.
      My view is that we can not afford to ignore any energy solutions which are viable in terms of becoming Breeder sources of Energy without externalities. Hinkley Point in the UK is a very silly idea and very last century too.

      FLow cell Technology and new Battery Technology are all making leaps and bounds in progress, there is a lot of good stuff happening in the Energy Business and I do not mean Fracking and Tar Sands both of which I think are doing more harm than good.
      • Without externalities? Really, maybe you should look at these a little closer I think you would find just a few externalities that you may have missed, like pollution during production, pollution during decommissioning, Noise pollution, wildlife destruction, damage from outages and many more. That being said, arbitrary use of an inefficient means of generation with its added cost is an externality in itself affecting the least capable in society of deal with the cost. Externalities caused by government intervention on the market for arbitrary reason is the most difficult of externality to overcome because the is no mechanism to effect change or recoup lose. You are creating a cost to effect a change for an imagined externality through the use of government power to oppress the most oppressable and the only actual effect you are having is to redistribute wealth to the most wealth sectors in our society from the least. Great job genius!
        How about instead of reading a bunch of BS from a bunch of socialist disguising themselves as economist you actually think through the process.
      • It would really be good to see the EV townies put their money where their mouths were and only use electric vehicles; after all, they tell us that EVs are so much better than any other vehicle. Consider having to evacuate Houston with all the cars electric and power outs and torrential rain and you have a 500 mile stop start drive. Not possible. The escape routes would be blocked with bricked EVs with no power
        A drive from London to Edinburgh not possible without an overnight stay.
        Describe a workable way for all the on-street parked cars to charge
        Yes a townie with no real need for a car can virtue (and money) signal with flashy toys. But for anyone that needs to drive any distance in all weathers, EVs are extremely unlikely to ever be capable.
    • this site has a lot of data on the UK wind and other alternative energy generation sectors.
      Calculating a sinking fund over a 20 or 25 year life period is easy enough.
      With Both Batteries for storage and also other storage solutions such as Water reservoir/Gravity systems or Hydrogen production will allow for peak generation storage instead of load shedding for turbines.
      Refurbishment and Circular economy techniques for re use and re purposing of plant are also factors, Re Gausing Magnets and SO forth are all doable especially if one adopts an energy based metric of measurement and not the flawed and artificial metrics of Internal rate of return and discounting based upon time value of money which are completely false metrics especially in a complementary technology smart network system where it is understood that energy generation decisions are simply not Mutually exclusive.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_returned_on_energy_invested
      This is a very interesting Paper, it makes for quite sobering reading for the Renewables Zealots but is not without its pluses for cornucopian arguments and distributed network enthusiasts.
      https://festkoerper-kernphysik.de/Weissbach_EROI_preprint.pdf
      Abstract
      The Energy Returned on Invested, EROI, has been evaluated for typical power plants representing wind
      energy, photovoltaics, solar thermal, hydro, natural gas, biogas, coal and nuclear power. The strict exergy
      concept with no ”primary energy weighting”, updated material databases, and updated technical procedures
      make it possible to directly compare the overall efficiency of those power plants on a uniform mathematical
      and physical basis. Pump storage systems, needed for solar and wind energy, have been included in the
      EROI so that the efficiency can be compared with an ”unbuffered” scenario. The results show that nuclear,
      hydro, coal, and natural gas power systems (in this order) are one order of magnitude more effective than
      photovoltaics and wind power.
      Keywords:
      ERoEI, EROI, energy return on invested, energy intensity, energy payback time, life cycle assessment
  1. RE-posting – Moderator, my original post disappeared into the ether. 2nd time lucky?
    _________________
    Thank you Paul Homewood – an excellent article.
    You have described a system to compensate wind power operators that is utterly insane – only a gang of corrupt/idiot politicians could dream up such madness.
    You say “average utilisation was 28%”. Is this the same definition as Capacity Factor? It would appear so, equal to {total actual power output)/(total rated capacity assuming 100% utilization).
    However, the true factor that reflects the intermittency of wind power Is the Substitution Capacity*, which is about 5% in Germany today. This is the amount of dispatchable (conventional) power you can permanently retire when you add more wind power to the grid. In Germany they have to add ~20 units of wind power to replace 1 unit of dispatchable power – utterly uneconomic and nonsensical!
    Regards, Allan
    Excerpt:
    In 2004 two major German studies investigated
    the size of contribution that wind farms make
    towards guaranteed capacity. Both studies
    separately came to virtually identical conclusions,
    that wind energy currently contributes to the
    secure production capacity of the system, by
    providing 8% of its installed capacity.
    As wind power capacity rises, the lower availability
    of the wind farms determines the reliability
    of the system as a whole to an ever increasing
    extent. Consequently the greater reliability of
    traditional power stations becomes increasingly
    eclipsed.
    As a result, the relative contribution of wind
    power to the guaranteed capacity of our supply
    system up to the year 2020 will fall continuously
    to around 4% (FIGURE 7).
    ***************************
  2. @BobBoder, Whats sauce for the goose is sauce for the Gander so externalities need to be added on all analysis of all solutions. You miss the point regarding alternative energies not being mutually exclusive to other forms of Energy production. My case is we need all of these solutions to be pursued. The Monetary Metric is flawed, you must concede that Money is a variable the EROI paper I linked to makes the point.
    All Economics is Political, your lapse into scorn and rudeness does nothing to advance an argument, beats me every time how anyone ever thinks rudeness bolsters their argument, Genius?
    • Roger;
      You are a fraud, economics for the person raising his family is not politics, economics of a company trying to survive competition so it can make payroll is not politics, your BS about externalities is just another way for you to make up cost structures so you can justify doing what you think is right. For all your talk of externalities you are still just justifying re-distributing wealth from the poor and working class to the wealthy and connected, you are a poser trying to baffle the gullible with a bunch of BS and at the same time trying to convince yourself that you are virtuous. You never noticed that at the end of every “externality” there is someone unconnected to process getting rich? I have seen an awful lot of people being made poor by responses to imaginary “externalities”.
      Do me a favor if you believe so much in the BS you are spewing take your money and invest it, but leave the money that I earn and have to pay in taxes out so it can be put to a real and practical use other than making the likes of Al Gore rich.
      • Bob, Economics at a domestic level and economics at a societal and Government level are two quite different Questions.
        Take these Money Quizzes and tell me how you get on.
        I Made these interactive Quizzes based upon the Positive Money Quiz By David Faraday
        and the money creation Survey of MP´s
        Also Bob, you only have to refute arguments with arguments, no number of insults of the person advancing arguments or counter-arguments diminishes the arguments put forward. Arguments are defeated by evidence, not insults.
        Now, Bob, you have produced ample evidence for me to call you rude, your allegations are simply Ad hominem and speculative on your part, in short not a great marker of the confidence you have in your own case.
      • Bob,
        “For all your talk of externalities you are still just justifying re-distributing wealth from the poor and working class to the wealthy and connected….”
        Spot On!
      • Roger
        Societal and Governmental economics are born on the back of domestic economics.
        Let me ask you, how much of your domestic economic fortune has you tied up in renewables. You seem all to ready to take my tax dollars and invest in renewables to solve a problem that doesn’t exist. If you believe so strongly in renewables invest all you want and reap the benefit from it. But for you to invent a bunch of “externality” cost to justify using the power of the government to force bad choice on everyone else is the height of hubris.
    • RogerLewis
      “This is a significant amount of Oklahoma’s GDP and caused Oklahoma legislators to reassess the situation after figuring out they didn’t have enough money in the budget to fund Oklahoma schools adequately, and they decided to pass a law stopping subsidies for any new Windmill Farms, thus saving billions of dollars in subsidy payment in the future.”
      Is this externality figured in your calculations?
      • Bob, I am not an advocate of subsidising crony capitalists in any industry, whether it be energy production or Banking. Oaklahoma made the right decision , schools are way more important an investment in the future to trash for some political hobby horse.
        The wider question about EROI in society is well set out in this paper.
        https://mahb.stanford.edu/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/energy-policy_Lambert_et.al_2013.pdf
        “There is evidence too that once payments
        for energy rise above a certain threshold at the national level (e.g.
        approximately 10 percent in the United States) that economic
        recessions follow (Hamilton, 2009; Hall et al., 2009; Murphy et al.,
        2011). Despite the best intentions of improving net energy balances
        for a developing nation, the large-scale introduction of renewable
        energy generation may have too low an EROI and may prove too
        expensive to facilitate continued growth in developing economies”.
        The Green Fascists are bonkers, I have argued that case in the UK Green Party for some time, I am not a member but a good friend is, I despise Al Gore too, now he is a fraud I think we could both probably agree on that.
        Local Government are not able to create their own money supply ( the exception in the USA is the Bank of North Dakota, which as well as having an oil Boom/Bust has had a publicly owned Bank which has assisted that States economy hugely, Ellen Brown has written on that ,https://ellenbrown.com/2016/05/02/bank-of-north-dakota-soars-despite-oil-bust-a-blueprint-for-california/ )
        I am a pragmatist of the Old School and think that all objective and Viable energy sources Paotential and current are needed to assist with the economic Development of people across the world according to their own local needs. Sadly US foreign Policy frustrates the wishes of ordinary people all over the world even where they are rich in primary energy sources.
        This report will give you some idea of my own perspective regarding Debt and the Oil Business.

Is large-scale energy storage dead?

Many countries have committed to filling large percentages of their future electricity demand with intermittent renewable energy, and to do so they will need long-term energy storage in the terawatt-hours range. But the modules they are now installing store only megawatt-hours of energy. Why are they doing this? This post concludes that they are either conveniently ignoring the long-term energy storage problem or are unaware of its magnitude and the near-impossibility of solving it.
The graphic below compares some recent Energy Matters estimates of the storage capacity needed to convert intermittent wind and solar generation into usable dispatchable generation over different lengths of time in different places. The details of the scenarios aren’t important; the key point is the enormous differences between the red bars, which show estimated future storage requirements, and the blue bars, which show existing global storage capacity (data from Wikipedia). It’s probably not an exaggeration to say that the amount of energy storage capacity needed to support a 100% renewable world exceeds installed energy storage capacity by a factor of many thousands. Another way of looking at it is that installed world battery + CAES + flywheel + thermal + other storage capacity amounts to only about 12 GWh, enough to fill global electricity demand for all of fifteen seconds. Total global storage capacity with pumped hydro added works out to about 500 only GWh, enough to fill global electricity demand for all of ten minutes.
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  1. Thinkstoomuch says:
    A very good article, again, Thank you very much, Roger.
    Just asking this question here because I am not the sharpest spoon in the drawer. I just think too much and way too ineffectively.
    The Greentechmedia hits me over the head like a hammer. Again! Maybe someone here can explain it in little words.
    What the is the deal with the Solana power generating station? Basically advertised value for Solana, alone is within ~20% of everything totaled, 1,500 MWh. It went online 2 years ago .
    Solana is touted as storing 250 MW for 6 hours. It is providing 8 hours of power a day over a year. But everybody is acting Like Crescent Dunes is the greatest thing since sliced bread. Yet it is less than half the capacity with 2/3rds the energy storage, with 54% of the array size for half the price.
    Crescent Dunes: A billion dollars for 110 MW. Contracted to sell electricity for 0.0135 kWH. Array (based on Wiki) 1,197,360 m^2.
    Solana: 2 billion dollars for 250 MW. Selling electricity according to articles I have been able to find at 0.14 kWH. Array according to NREL is 2,200,00 m^2.
    Solana are actually delivering about 80+% of what they promised. Which for most renewable energy projects is fairly astounding. It really should do better they are basically losing an hour of what a 2 axis tracker should be able to do in that area. Might have something to do with it takes 30 MW to run.
    Yet Solana gets no mention by anyone not even the bird fryers and save the turtle types.
    Is Gila Bend, Arizona the leper colony or something.
    It really does seem both Solana and Crescent Dunes have undersized arrays. But see first paragraph.
    A confounded,
    T2M
    • Thinkstoomuch says:
      Gah. Just noticed my contracted for price electricity had an extra zero. 0.135 kWh.
      My apologies,
      T2M
      • singletonengineer says:
        13.5 cents US per kWh isn’t competitive.
        I have yet to find a thorough, costed, report for a successful solar thermal system, either power tower or linear fresnel, anywhere on the planet.
        By “costed” I mean including subsidies, grants, tariff support, in-kind assistance, free access to public lands (eg US federal deserts) and so forth, as well as the normal design, capital and operating costs.
        I’d be happy not to expect provisions for end of life activities, but the remainder of the costs are known or knowable. Why haven’t they been published somewhere, perhaps as a PhD thesis or a post-doc peer reviewed meta study?
  2. Nigel Wakefield says:
    Excess (solar/wind) power > methanol (CH4O) > (winter) CHP
    A better storage solution is liquids, not gas, due to enormously greater energy density (1litre methanol = ~4.42 kwh, relative to same spacial volume of methane 0.11kwh).
    I’ve very recently communicated with a business (Antecy in the Netherlands) that claims “we calculate the overall conversion efficiency, i.e. electricity to methanol to be approx. 50% for large scale applications” using their technology.
    Whether this can be substantiated or not, I don’t know. Nor do I know when the technology might be commercially available, nor at what cost…. other than that, it’s all good! Maybe someone here, more scientifically minded than me, might be inclined to talk with them to see how their claims stack up.
    Even going power to gas, per Euan’s suggestion, we need to drive towards CHP at a distributed level. There are a small number of residential CHP systems available at present,with heat/power ratios in the region of 6:1.
    If every British home replaced its gas boiler with a CHP system, we’d add >15 GW of power generation capacity almost all of which would be guaranteed to be operating at times of peak winter demand, and, pleasingly, operating at efficiencies in excess of 90% as there’s no waste heat. Not to mention what we could do with schools, SME workplaces, other public buildings, etc. Rolling out small and micro CHP at that scale would drive costs through the floor and technological development through the roof… and the power utilities out of business (which is why it won’t ever happen)
    I favour methanol in the long run; far more easily and cheaply stored than methane, and can be used for heat, power and automotive fuel (with a small amount of tinkering on a standard petrol internal combustion engine).
    • Nigel, I agree a liquid is far better than a gas. But where does the CO2 come from to make the ethanol? To be emissions friendly it has to come from CCS – it ain’t ever going to happen. And I suspect the 50% efficiency you quote will be one way, i.e. making ethanol. Round trip will knock that back to 30% unless you can squeeze 80% out of CHP. The energy used in CCS will probably exceed anything you get out of storage.
      • Nigel Wakefield says:
        Evan,
        Methanol, not ethanol.
        According to Antecy’s website they have developed technology which captures CO2 from the air….(http://www.antecy.com). I’ve been around too long to take such claims at face value, but if true (and economically viable) it would be a game-changer. Notwithstanding, I don’t have the scientific nous to be able to substantiate the claim even wth access to the technology….
        As for CHP, at a distributed level (i.e. at point of use for the heat), the efficiencies are >90%. Existing systems for nat gas using Stirling engines or conventional internal combustion engines are (expensively) available at the moment. See Baxi Ecogen or SenerTecDachs (http://www.baxi.co.uk/renewables/combined-heat-and-power.htm). Flow Energy also has one coming out (http://www.flowenergy.uk.com/meet-flow/). [Flow also have really good deals on electricity supply… I’ve just changed to them from EDF Energy, saving myself >25% on annual power bills in the process!!]
        I hesitate to mention that micro CHP is also eligible for Feed In Tariffs at present, though with mass deployment those will disappear in the blink of any eye as prices drop.
        CHP also works with Fuel Cell technology though I’m struggling to come up with a name of an existing system at the moment.
        All of these will work equally well with methane….. with some small tinkering by the manufacturer.
        What I like about methanol is it can be centrally manufactured and stored and then distributed easily and cheaply to point of use (using methanol powered vehicles), as well as its versatility as a fuel. Beats hydrogen hands down and is more compatible with existing technology.
        I can imagine the Sahara and the Atlantic coast of north Africa (Morocco, Mauritania) as vast methanol factories using abundantly available solar and wind. Liquid power, transported by (and powering) ships, rather than thousands of miles of expensive and vulnerable interconnections… and those are by no means the only places in the world good for it. Saudi could do the same, and leverage existing under-utilised oil/NGL pipelines. Central Australia…. the south west USA… etc, etc, etc.
        On another note why bother with the multi-billion cost of the LNG liquefaction/trasnportation/rgasification chain, when you create the value chain so much more cheaply by converting the methane to methanol at source???? http://www.maritime-executive.com/article/methanol-bunkering-could-be-cheaper-than-lng
        The mind boggles….
        • It doesn’t add up… says:
          I’d take the CHP efficiency with a pinch of salt. The problem is that it is only that efficient when there is demand for low grade heat to match capacity, and the economics really depend on continuous 24×365 heat demand. CHP works well with a paper mill, but not so well in a domestic setting.
    • Alex says:
      50% electricity to methanol is a significant waste of energy – destroying high value electricity to get low value chemical fuel.
      For this to work, we need to convert heat to chemical energy, which probably means high temperature nuclear reactors making hydrogen. Then making methanol from atmospheric CO2 will be very, very useful.
      Fuel cells are great as long as we’re using natural gas. They’re not promoted enough because they use gas – the good being the enemy of the perfect, whatever that is. But 20 million fuel cells, each able to provide 2KWe, would solve the Britain’s capacity problem. In the summer, they would only be used in emergency, but in winter, they could provide much of the countries electricity. The trouble is, fuel cells are still very expensive.
  3. I would recommend to pay a look to the presentation on batteries made by Fabien Perdu at http://science-and-energy.org/slides-videos/
    • robertok06 says:
      Dear dr Prieto,
      I want to thank you a lot for having given the link to this workshop’s web page, and all of the nice presentations in it!… a wealth of data by knowledgeable experts… really interesting stuff.
      R.
    • Beamspot says:
      Don Pedro, I was across this page few days ago, from the link you posted at Crisis Energética, and I have to disagree with some data presented regarding Lithium batteries.
      My experience (and experiments) with real lithium batteries as well as my second and third hand links that work with them in the automotive sector where I also work, state that there is NO Li chemistry that withstands more tan 2000 100%DOD on the real capacity, even less the 5000 claimed in that document.
      Recent published information confirmed my early guessings from years ago that Tesla Model S batteries last less tan 1000 100% DOD cycles, in the stated range of 600 to 750, best real worls condition, less in hot places like our iSpain, thanks to Arrhenius.
      Those are high energy batteries, the cheapest and lightest ones (my calculations from last 2015 september give me a rough 100 – 110$/KWh just in raw materials), although the shortest live ones. High power Li-Pol batteries (like Leaf’s pack) range in the 1500 cycles at best, with an estimation of 130 – 140$/KWh), and LiFePO range on the 2000, and >150$/KWh.
      High power batteries have lower material efficiencies and higher CO2 and pollutants emition per KWh than High Energy batteries.
      Anyway, ESOI is my concept of choice, much better than KWh (mandatory since this is the storage measurement, it is usless/senseless to speak about energy storage and don’t give any figure in KWh).
      Cycles are important, but it is not the same to compare day cycling (365 cycles per year) than seasonal storage, at 1 cycle per year. 1000 cycles is a looooooooooong time to check plausability…
      I wished to post a long entry, but I guess this huge amount of comments request from my side to be short.
      Only one last comment: there is some kind of easy and cheap seasonal energy storage system: biomass.
      My worst fear is that will lead us to the Galactic Eastern Planet.
    • Peter Lang says:
      pedroantonioprieto,
      Thank you for the link to ‘ Science for Energy Scenarios: 3rd Science and Energy Seminar at Ecole de Physique des Houches, March 6th-11th, 2016’ http://science-and-energy.org/slides-videos/. And thank Robertok06 for highlighting it. It includes many presentations on ERoEI. My comments on two of them are:
      1. Jessica Lambert ‘Examining The Relation between Quality of Life and Biophysical vs Economic Conditions’ http://science-and-energy.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/EcoleDePhysiqueDesHouches_JGL_2016_03_08.pdfcharts Human Development Index versus EROEI (for society). If this analysis is correct, it shows how significant achieving a high EROEI (society) is for improving human well-being.
      However, it seems to me many of the presentations are using energy intensity as a proxy for ERoEI and in fact are simply plotting energy intensity and calling it ERoEI. Lambert has not shown a plot of HDI versus Energy Intensity; I suspect that chart would be identical or near identical to the charts she has shown of HDI v EROEI. The authors are experts on this subject and there is a lot of background to the analyses. I’d welcome comments on this.
      2. Daniel Weißbach, et al. ‘ The EROIs of Power Plants – why are they so different?’ http://science-and-energy.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/EROI_LesHouches2016.pdf is very interesting, IMO. I’d like to hear comments and discussion from others about the methodology, because it is differences in methodology and assumptions that are reason for the large differences in ERoEI estimated by different authors.
      The second last slide summarises the ERoEI for the different technologies:
      • Wind and solar: 1-4
      • Fossil fuels: 30
      • Hydro: 35
      • Nuclear (today’s LWRs): 75
      • Nuclear theoretical limit: 10,000
      Weißbach includes his spreadsheet here: http://tinyurl.com/z7329lh
      Also see other EROEI presentations linked in my first link above.

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Transmission planning: wind and solar

Posted on May 7, 2015 | 210 Comments
by Planning Engineer
Some of the denizens have requested an introduction to transmission planning and a discussion of how the transmission system is impacted by renewable resources.
This post complements a previous post which addressed renewable resources and generation planning. The considerations here are not of major importance when renewable resources only make up a miniscule portion of the generation mix but they become significant as renewable generation begins to make up larger portions of the resource mix.
Powerflow 101
On the grid power does not flow downhill, take the shortest path or move from areas of high to low pressure. The grid cannot be well understood as a highway system or a set of pipelines. Energy simultaneously takes every possible interconnected path from source to destination. For the most part in normal operating ranges the flows between a generation addition and a new load are unaffected by the flows that are already on the lines. Energy flows on every possible interconnected path based on the inverse ratio of that paths impedance (resistance).
As can be seen below, the US has three major grids (two shared with Canada). The grids have to be built so that the flows serve planned loads from planned generation without overstressing any part of the system. This is true not just for the major lines shown below but for all the lower voltage lines and interconnected portions of sub-transmission systems as well. The graphic below does not include voltages below 230 kV, however 115 kV and 161 kV lines make up a large part of these interconnected transmission networks.
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Renewables and grid reliability

by Planning Engineer
The costs of major grid outages are staggering and recovery from such outages is challenging; therefore the North American grids are planned and operated to ensure high levels of reliability.
Despite changing conditions and various threats, it is widely expected that that current levels of reliability will be maintained or improved upon. The grid is impacted by multiple electro-mechanical effects that planners have learned to model and plan for over time and through experience. The rapid deployment of any new technology will present both modelling and operational challenges to maintaining high levels of grid reliability.
With the increased focus on reducing fossil fuel generation the question frequently comes up as to, “How much solar and wind can be integrated with the grid without unduly impacting system reliability?” The increase in renewables relative to conventional generation is often referred to as “penetration”. The US grids have sufficient robustness such that small penetration levels do not pose excessive risk, however high levels of penetration raise serious reliability concerns. This post will argue that there is not a single answer and that the answers are not easy, therefore estimates will involve considerable uncertainty. Casual readers may want to read the “Key Points” and then skip to the “Conclusions” or specific topics of interest. Those seeking a more optimistic assessment may want to read Volume 4 of the National Renewable Energy Laboratory’s Renewables Electricity Futures Report.
Key Points
  • There has been a high value placed on having an extremely reliable bulk grid as the costs and consequences of bulk grid outages are severe
  • The bulk grid supports and is supported by conventional rotating generators (Coal, natural gas, hydro, nuclear, biomass) which provide “Essential Reliability Services” (ERSs)
  • Wind and solar provide increased reliability risks because they are new changing technologies, they are intermittent and they do not as readily provide ERSs
  • Current high levels of reliability depend upon experience gained over time through the gradual adoption of new technologies
  • Wind and solar can be made to provide approximations of ERSs, but that requires significant increased costs and reduced generation output
  • Because of the complexity of impacting factors and the high level of reliability maintained for the US grids, systemic degradation of the reliability of the grid is hard to detect and measure
  • The amount of renewable penetration that can be accommodated will vary from area to area and power system to power system – There is not a single answer
    • Because conventional resources produce an abundance of ERSs, accommodation of low levels of renewables may be accomplished with negligible risks
    • Because current renewables do not provide adequate ERSs high penetration levels provide significant risks
    • Between the above two levels there is a gap of (wicked?) uncertainty.
  • For assessing grid reliability, the maximum penetration of wind and solar during times of stress is the key number not the “average” contribution of wind and solar
  • Increased penetration of such asynchronous resources, all else equal, will likely adversely impact bulk grid reliability
  • As the penetration level of asynchronous generation increases this will either increase cost, limit operational flexibility, degrade reliability or most likely result in a combination of all three factors
The above statements have the following important caveats
  • In some situations renewable resources may have some practical benefits and better support reliability in some limited applications For example:
    • Air quality standards often prohibit the location of new generation resources in congested areas. If renewable resources are allowed to be located close to load centers –the system may see benefits
    • Electronic emulation of ERSs in some cases will not be as good as actual synchronous machines, but with proper controls it may also be better in some cases
  • Given time the reliability risk associated with new technology can be reduced as more experience is gained so that penetration levels can be increased
What is Meant by Bulk Grid Reliability and Why is it So Hard to Measure?

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Six Ways to Sunday. Kushner Trump and Netenyahu

Wag the Dog: but what if the Dog is a Lizard?

A witheringly concise exposition of the mendacity and Fickle hubris oif the US empires Power Elite. Soft Power to the left of him , Hard Power to the Right and Trump stuck in the middle( Far Right and out of sight) (sic) with Netanyahu.
With astonishment the world is again and again looking at the servile attitude of US administrations giving the impression of permanently bowing to Israel´s prime minister and government as well as AIPAC, the Zionist lobby organization in the US. Simple minded Europeans still infected with underground stereotypes about Jewish conspiracies feel encouraged in their suspicions. Some hardcore Zionists do not regret such psychological disasters pushing Anti-Judaism (falsely dubbed Anti-Semitism, since the majority of Semites are Arabs) since it is seen as a help to encourage Jewish immigration into Israel. Not only anti-Zionist Jews (1) are suspecting this (2). But why does the single remaining empire (US) in the world pretend to dance to the tune of the government of a small country at the East of the Mediterranean Sea?
Who rules America?
Only people having their single source of information in commercial mainstream media will believe in the US American…
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Syria Cui Bono, Incitatus (Boris Johnson) Caligula (john Kerry) and the Curious case of the New Consul at the United Nations Security Council (Updated 7th April , Trump ordered attack On Syria)

UPDATE FOR CONTEXT:
Syria is all about Gas, not poison Sarin Gas but Gas Pipelines. It is also not about Hydro Carbons in themselves but the market for hydrocarbons and which currency contracts of supply are settled in otherwise known  as,  US petrodollar hegemony.
Legitimate question. Does Jared Kushner have any interests in the Leviathan Gas field or any of the Israeli-backed Pipeline projects? #MAGA#Drain The Swamp. Starting to dig around will report back.

https://letthemconfectsweeterlies.blogspot.se/2017/04/the-bortherhood-of-gas-ring-quatar-gas.html
THE BROTHERHOOD OF THE GAS RING. QATARI GAS, OR SAUDI HEGENOMY, TRUMP BACKS THE SAUDIS? TANGLED WEB INDEED

Tangled Web,  Syria and Gas. Trump meets Egyptian President, that is a rejection of the Moslem Brotherhood, siding against Qatar in Syria and With Saudi broadly and therefore the ISIL Wahabbist and Saudi funded Al Queda. There’s Gas in them there Golan Heights 

Incitatus visits the Forum with due ‘Ungar’ (SIC)

How does one start to fathom where the Rhetoric starts, the Sophistry takes over and the mendacity overwhelms. How can anyone posture from a moral high ground that so long ago already opened up in a great chasm of incredulity and swallowed the US State department whole.

Six Ways to Sunday, The Split in the US Power Elite, Can of Worms as Rabbit Hole?

US Power Elite: at war among themselves? 

Backing up to 2012 , this analysis is very applicable to the Trump Whitehouse, Those factions still at it and the Neo Cons seem to be making a comeback. The Kushner/Trump/Netenjahu, greater israel axis makes that part of the Neo-Con project that much easier Google Trump endorsement of Netenjahu for Trumps party political broadcasts in favour of Likud.
bush-obama
scource: down below article
A lot has been written on this Internet Blog on the US Power Elite (1) and its power to decide even over life and death of the US President himself (2). The US Power Elite might count now 50 to 100 people as consequence of ongoing concentration so well described already by Karl Marx (3). But what if this elite is fractioned and at war with itself? It is not new to history that even in tight circles of power fierce fighting could break out and killing of competing members of that circle was common place in History. Especially when the power of the ruling circle is no more really challenged within its home society, as this is the case with the US and its extended system of manipulation of the masses, and when at the same time there´s much to win and much to lose…
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SIx Ways to Sunday, The Six Ways to Sunday of Trumps Capitulation to the US Military junta. #MAGA

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Geo-Politics: The Core of Crisis and Chaos, the Nightmares of the US Power Elite!

This is a brilliant analysis. A must read! Linked from a comment in this very good OG Article.https://off-guardian.org/2017/08/25/why-trump-rolled-over-on-russia/
I´ve written a lot about the US Power Elite and their internal divisions (http://tinyurl.com/zv32w7m), though they might only count about 100 people today. It appears that finally the Neocon faction of the Power Elite has taken control, especially since they took over the Democratic Party (http://tinyurl.com/zy4t6er), clearly signaled by the spearhead of the Neocons in that party: Hillary Clinton!
Nightmare One:
The Southern Hemisphere – the „Non-White World“ – Getting Independent
The US Power Elite (predominantly WASP, White Anglo-Saxon Protestants) would be rightfully called the „Deep State“ of the USA (http://tinyurl.com/ho2nz87). And this Deep State has become more and more ruthless over the time. They have brought nightmares over the Southern Hemisphere by installing brutal dictatorships (http://tinyurl.com/kkpvcf7) in their interest and waging bloody colonial wars, in the last one and a half decades especially with their „War on Terror“ (http://tinyurl.com/nrxxej5)…
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Why Trump rolled over on Russia

by Philip Roddis, from Steel City Scribblings

Trump’s cave in on rapprochement with Putin shows the hollowness and shallow worldview of this inept narcissist. More importantly, it shows an American ruling class committed to war, cold for now, on Russia. To see why, we must set aside what we think we know about the old one.

The Nations that Accept Nazism Today

Eric Zuesse, originally posted at strategic-culture.org

The U.S. Government leads a global operation to make racist fascism ‘respectable’ again.
On 21 November 2014, in a vote at the United Nations on a Resolution opposing a resurgence of the racist-fascist ideology (opposing the ideology that’s commonly called “nazism”) which Resolution was titled “Combating glorification of Nazism, neo-nazism and other practices that contribute to contemporary forms of racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia, and related intolerance”, 115 nations voted “Yes” to pass the Resolution, 3 voted “No” to reject it, and 55 voted “Abstain,” meaning they didn’t want to express a view on the resolution. An additional 19 didn’t vote at all on it (decided to absent themselves from that roll-call, for whatever reason — basically, not even saying whether they were neutral on it by voting “Abstain” — just said nothing at all on it).

Six Ways to Sunday. Trump Sells out and why the Left still shoots wide of the target!

 

Readers who have been following the Six Ways to Sunday theme of the last two posts here
May have been interested in What I made of the Suggested Reading from my Interlocutor, Angus
I read the UNHCR report again read it before when it came out, the more interesting report was the second one.


Angus Quoted from both documents thus.
Some reading:

http://www.unhcr.org/576408cd7.pdf

Where you will see that Sweden has always had a control over asylum claims unlike, say, Pakistan, Iran, Lebanon or Turkey, where they come flying across the borders and in quantities far outweighing the asylum claims Sweden receives. For example:
Turkey: 1.6 Million compared to Sweden: 169,500.
and given that the top ten hosting countries are all considered to be developing countries, where the refugee population are having a huge effect on the countries finances, the issue’s in Sweden again pale into white people bitching about long cues for kebabs irrelevance….

https://www.icct.nl/…/Alex-P.-Schmid-Links-between…

“Migration control for the control of terrorism is a widely used instrument. However, it might hurt bona fide migrants and legal foreign residents more than mala fide terrorists. It fosters xenophobia and deprives host countries, where and when it has the effect of reducing migration and hospitality to foreigners, of the many positive contributions (some types of) migrants can make to a society. There is the additional danger that instruments of migration control for counter-terrorism are, further down the line, also used for controlling native citizens [this last point should set off some alarms in you as an anarchist no?].” p5

The second quote is from the Executive summary of a 60 page report the rest of the report has much that argues against Angus´s case. Angus seems to make the case, ..that The Main problem of the European Migrant Crisis is that there is only a problem in the minds of the Fascist populations of European Countries who have nothing to complain about.



I, despite living in Europe, have little sympathy, as I think internationally and from an internationalist perspective, what is happening in Europe is not a crisis if you compare it to what is happening in the rest of the world, it is an inconvenience that the most privileged population are having to deal with because they made some pledge sixty years ago after some dick killed six million Jews and nobody gave them asylum… ”

I think Angus´s analysis comes up way short of the problem as it stands which is actually a multi level problem

1. one of Economic Migration within the EU.

2. Economic Migration from liberalised economies in North Africa and Sub Saharan Africa

3. Refugee Migration due to Regime Change wars led by NatoNations in the Washington Consensus.

4. The EU establishment has undermined democracy and also imposed Austerity, effectively they have over-egged their control freak pudding.

I examine this in this blog here.

http://letthemconfectsweeterlies.blogspot.se/2017/02/meet-fuggers-brexit-euro-and-clueless.html


EU enlargement and The monetary union had already become a bridge too far for many British Voters by the time of the Maastricht treaty. Lisbon was a bridge too far. to mix a metaphor, The straw that broke the camels back. The Irish The Danes, The Swedes, The Dutch pretty much most populations consulted have not given the EU zealots the right answer the first time around and the EU elite simply refused to see the point and have now simply adopted the expediency of not asking.


Two pieces of folk wisdom spring to mind.

´´Quit while you’re ahead´´anon.

´´If you love something, set it free; if it comes backs it’s yours, if it doesn’t, it never was ´´.

Richard Bach.

Having achieved the ultimate power through the ECB it seems that the EU Technocrats simply did not understand that they had already become the house, if they got out more instead of indulging in mutual backslapping, they would know that the house always wins in Casino Capitalism. What this paper will seek to do is show how the EU, in failing to quit while it was ahead, has proceeded with the inevitable process of being hoisted on its own petard of hubris and Elitist Know all know bestedness.

What follows is the proof that The ECB rules Europe with all the power of financialised capitalist Alchemy, the ECB and The Commission further choose to sacrifice national Governments to Market discipline and certain ruin at the hands of Private Bankers with the power to create money secured against the commonwealth and commons of its own Citizens. With National Governments forced to borrow in open markets without any legal recourse to the ECB as a lender of last resort. Latterly the Five presidents report seeks to justify More Europe in ´´Completing Europe’s Economic and Monetary Union´´


The Schmid Report does focus just on Terrorism and its various species connected to Migration, this excludes the civilian aspects of trade liberalization , Debt and Political Economy of the Petro Dollar hegemony which necessitates alliance of the US to Saudi Arabia and Also to The Interests of the state of Israel and its current Arch Neo Con regime under Benjamin Netanyahu.

The Real Politik and Geo Political / Geo/Political/Economic aspects of Global Capital become further confused in the distinctions between Globalisation and Internationalism and how Internationalism as a Benign Ideal can honour subsidiarity down to regional cultural sub divisions rather than the Globalist Highly Centralised Fascist Tyranny which has evolved over the past 40 years but really took root after the Fall of the soviet union , with the first Iraq war and the rise and rise of Neo Liberalism accelerated by the supposedly Leftist, Clinton and Blair regimes and of course the hugely over rated Obama Regime which Out Bushed Bush the second for extra judicial murders by drone and other Foreign policy howlers in Libya, Ukraine and Syria.

With Trumps about turn on Afghanistan and The previous Tomahawk attack on Syria President Trump appears now to have completely caved to the Post 1990 Neo Con project for a new American century Agenda As Luke of We are change says in the last but one video this is very very bad news.

Some snippets from suggested reading and also from some sources for the wider context and arguments in geo politics, Political Economy and Globalist liberalisation as a force to undercut the Social Contracts and Political settlements in national boundaries, which make the extreme Nations are the root of all conflict line which Angus argues and which I find un convincing.(YMMV)“Fascism is not something that lies dormant in a population, fascism is simple the logical conclusion of the Nation State, of all nation states.”



The blind eye of many governments to state terrorism of allied regimes, combined with the general state fixation on non-state terrorist actors, has contributed to overlooking one of the most powerful drivers of forced migration – regime or state terrorism. Partly this has to do with the fact that countries experiencing state terrorism are also experiencing terrorism by non-state actors. In such cases cause and effect, action and reaction, are difficult to separate the longer the spiral of tit-for-tat violence continues, with false flag operations complicating matters further p.20

For countries receiving large numbers of refugees, the risk of terrorist attacks by “refugee warriors” and, on the opposite side, by native xenophobic vigilantes targeting on refugee populations increases. A cross-national, time-series data analysis of 154 countries covering the period 1970–2007 found that countries with many refugees are more likely to experience both domestic and international terrorism.136 Another study found that “Refugee flows significantly increase the likelihood and counts of transnational terrorist attacks that occur in the host country, even when controlling for other variables”.137 p.37
Many jihadists were groomed in London, so much so that the British capital was dubbed “Londonistan”. To quote from Petter Nesser’s history of Islamist Terrorism in Europe:
London was at the heart of the jihadis sub-culture in Europe. From the British capital, a critical mass of radical preachers who had spent time in Af-Pak [Afghanistan-Pakistan], Bosnia and other conflict zones acted as leaders and recruiters within a growing jihadi scene. These veteran militants also acted as religious guides for foreign armed groups. French security officials invented the name “Londonistan” in part because of the many jihadis in London, and partly because the city became a transit station for recruits heading for training camps in Afghanistan.
Londonistan “ became slang for the tendency of the British authorities to turn a blind eye to extremism and to offer sanctuary to terrorists. (…) However, while the significance of London cannot be overstated, jihadi networks also emerged all over Britain and the rest of Europe.141 p.39

Neo Liberalism, Globalisation and undermining the collective bargaining and social contract settlement of Labour.

Through interviews and on-the-spot reporting from both impoverished communities abroad and U.S. immigrant workplaces and neighborhoods, Bacon shows how the United States’ trade and economic policy creates conditions to displace communities and set migration into motion.
In developing countries such as Mexico and Guatemala, economic restructuring plans imposed by the International Monetary Fund and trade policies of NAFTA , FTAA, and GATT have led to unemployment rates of over 25% producing a migration to the U.S. In the current era, the economic forces of global neo-liberal capitalism, are unrestrained by governments. In Mexico neo-liberal policies have devastated the countryside. Federal subsidies for corn, sugar and produce were ended and development projects stopped. The policies of the governments in Mexico and Central America have driven thousands off of their lands, many come to the U.S. looking for work. The impoverishment of the vast majority, in pursuit of profit for the minority, has pushed millions to migrate in search of food, and employment. Then, after creating migration, we make the immigrant worker “illegal” in order to provide more profits for corporations. Bacon argues, “In the global economy, people are displaced because the economies of their countries of origin are transformed, to enable corporations and national elites to transfer wealth out” (p. 69).Global capitalism produces global migration and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future.
Dying to Win: The Strategic Logic of Suicide Terrorism is Robert Pape‘s analysis of suicide terrorism from a strategic, social, and psychological point of view. It is based on a database he has compiled at the University of Chicago, where he directs the Chicago Project on Security and Terrorism. The book’s conclusions are based on data from 315 suicide terrorism attacks around the world from 1980 through 2003. Of these, 301 were classified into 18 different campaigns by 11 different groups; the remaining 14 appear to have been isolated. Published in May 2005, Pape’s volume has been widely noticed by the press, the public, and policymakers alike, and has earned praise from the likes of Peter Bergen, Congressman Ron Paul (R-Texas),[1] and Michael Scheuer.[2]
Dying to Win is divided into three parts, analyzing the strategic, social, and psychological dimension of suicide terrorism.
Appendix III: Salafism in Major Sunni Muslim Majority Countries[edit]
Thirty-four countries with Sunni majority populations of 1 m or more and the importance of Salafism in these countries are the subjects of brief commentaries. Salafism is defined as “the belief that society should be organized according to the Quran and Sunna only” (269). Sunni Countries with Salafi-Influenced PopulationsAfghanistan (10 m Pashtuns); Algeria (19 m/31m Sunni Muslims); Bangladesh(14 m/114m); Egypt (23 m/62m); Indonesia (26 m/185m); Jordan (2 m/6m); Nigeria (37 m/68m); Oman (2 m/2m); Pakistan (43 m/149m); Saudi Arabia (18 m/18m); Somalia (5 m/10m); Sudan (21 m/21m); Tunisia (5 m/10m); Yemen (8 m/11m) (270–74). Non-Salafi Sunni Countries: AlbaniaBurkina FasoChadGuineaKuwaitKyrgyzstanLibyaMalaysiaMaliMauritaniaMoroccoNigerSenegalSierra LeoneSyriaTajikistanTurkeyTurkmenistanUnited Arab EmiratesUzbekistan (274–77).
Ch. 4: Targeting Democracies[edit]

Pape claims that his research reveals that not religion but “to compel democracies to withdraw military forces from the terrorists’ national homeland” is the key to understanding the phenomenon of suicide attacks (38). Patterns of timing (39–41), nationalist goals (42–44), and the targeting of democracies (44–45) reveal its logical, not irrational, nature. “At bottom, suicide terrorism is a strategy for national liberation from foreign military occupation by a democratic state” (45). Foreign occupation is defined in terms of control of territory (not military occupation alone) (46). The targets selected by suicide terrorists suggests nationalist, not religious, aims (46–47). Hamas (47–51) and Al-Qaeda (51–58) are analyzed in some detail. In general, the harshness of occupation does not strongly correlate with suicide terrorism (58–60).


http://letthemconfectsweeterlies.blogspot.se/2017/05/terrorism-rape-politics-and-religion.html

So called Islamic State Daesh, formerly Al-Qaeda is a web of collective terrorist groups in which the CIA and MI6 have “assets”. These assets are of various types, sleepers, Double Agents, compromised or infiltrated cells
and so forth. AL Queda grew out of a joint MI6/CIA promotion of Islamicist resistance to the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan the recently decease Zbigniew Kazimierz “Zbig” Brzezinski was the architect of this aspect of Regime change destabilisation policy.

Henry Kissinger, A World Restored: Metternich, Castlereagh and the Problems of Peace, 1812-1822 (1957)
Credit to A. Bradley Potter, Johns Hopkins University SAIS
 Meanwhile, Castlereagh was the “authentically tragic statesman” trying to get the best for his country abroad, but struggling all the same against timeless, confounding domestic forces (Ferguson 2015, 303). His long study of Metternich and Castlereagh must have affected Kissinger’s development as a policymaker, but what his dissertation really offered him was a laboratory to explore how these practitioners engaged in foreign policy realism. It would be as a realist that Kissinger would make his first-hand mark on the conduct of international affairs (Kaplan 1999).
Realism certainly became his creed. Its counterpoint, idealism, in his view had failed repeatedly throughout American history and served only to cause an “inefficient cycle of intense hope and activity abroad followed by morose withdrawal once it became apparent that hope and activity were unlikely to remake the world” (Kaplan 1999).
This is the original Post I did on Lance De Havens Work on State Crimes against democracy, they do happen and do get memory-holed. I make no comment on Sandy Hook, The murder of innocents is tragic and as an Allegory of the sickness of the political disrepute and moral degeneration of the political class within the Washington Consensus both sides of the Atlantic, Sandy Hook is a charge sheet against the failure of institutions much more than a reflection of the people. A fish rots from the head and the Picture of Sandy Hook which-ever way one wishes to interpret it paints how rotten the Head of our polity has become.
Lance Dehaven calls Government Conspiracies when they are to be investigated State Crimes against democracy, Or SCADS.
Article 21 of the United Nation’s 1948 Universal Declaration of Human Rights states that
“The will of the people shall be the basis of the authority of government”.
No one has any business stealing elections. Shutting down minority voices or voices of dissent by the main Stream media is another not so subtle way of vote rigging. Rigging of the mechanical process and arithmetical integrity of votes actually cast has happened in recent US elections, it happened on a huge scale in the New York and California Democratic primaries this year, in the suppression of support for Bernie Sanders. If all is fair in love and war and if the Republican Tammany machine were at the disposal of Mr. Trump perhaps we could just enjoy the spectacle in World Wide Wrestlings best traditions of flouting the rules and blind siding the referee. Mr. Trump does not have the Republican machine in his corner, so has no one to tag? that’s, not a fair fight even a fight where the unwritten rule is that the rules are supposed to be broken?
Domhoff.
Who Rules America? is a book by research psychologist and sociologist, G. William Domhoff, Ph.D., first published in 1967 as a best-seller (#12), with six subsequent editions including Who Rules America Now? (1983, #43), Who Rules America? Challenges to Corporate and Class Dominance (2009), Who Rules America? Power and Politics (2013), Who Rules America? The Triumph of the Corporate Rich (2013), and the forthcoming, Studying the Power Elite: Fifty Years of Who Rules America (2017).[1]
It is frequently assigned as a sociology textbook and argues against the concentration of power and wealth in the American upper class.[2] The 2010 edition[clarification needed] brings the discussion up to date and also includes the rise of Barack Obama, his campaign finance supporters, and the nature of his administration.
Domhoff argues in the book that a power elite wields power in America through its support of think-tanks, foundations, commissions, and academic departments.[3] Additionally, he argues that the elite controls institutions through overt authority, not through covert influence.[4]
In his introduction, Domhoff writes that the book was inspired by the work of four men: sociologists E. Digby BaltzellC. Wright Mills, economist Paul Sweezy, and political scientist Robert A. Dahl.[5]
The University of California, Santa Cruz hosts his online summary collection, also titled “Who Rules America?”[6] .
This is a very good report summarising the position of the so called insurgent anti-European Union, Anti Immigration parties in the EU area. Both from the left and the right of the political spectrum. Left and Right seems a weak measure these days the distinction, I would argue, is that of Centralised Globalist Command and control Corporate Fascism against a decentralised more federalist approach honoring the subsidiarity of National Social contracts and political settlements from the post Second World war era in Europe and the USA. The Horrors of Sykes Picot ( post 1st WW1 and the Stalin,  Roosevelt Churchill, carve ups of the world along colonial lines
4. Merkel’s ‘refugees welcome’ policy is not widely blamed as the cause of the migration crisis: only seven parties named it in their top two explanations for the Crisis. US strategy in the Middle East was the most popular answer, with President Assad’s regime sponsored violence in Syria in second place in the responses given.
7. There is scepticism around future European or US interventionism generally, particularly in the Middle East, from Sinn Fein in Ireland, to UKIP in the UK, to the Front National and the Communist Party in France, to AFD and Die Linke in Germany, to Jobbik in Hungary and the Five Star Movement in Italy.  These parties are likely to bolster the intervention fatigue trend in EU foreign policy over coming years, making it even more difficult for national governments to sell the idea of future military deployment to their populations.
8.  Despite differences between the parties, there was consensus in the external threats faced by the EU.  For 36 out of the 45 parties covered, the refugee crisis or the threat of terrorism and radical Islamism (these issues were inextricably linked in the responses that the majority of parties gave) represented the top or top two priorities for the EU. This response was not the preserve of the right wing: Die Linke in Germany; the French Communist Party, Podemos in Spain, and the Lithuanian Labour Party were also among those who voted in this way.
9. Suspicions among these parties about the transatlantic relationship are partly fuelled by opposition to the Transatlantic Trade Treaty (TTIP), with 26 out of the parties arguing that the EU should not conclude a TTIP with the US at all. But there were some notable exceptions including the Sweden Democrats; Danish People’s Party, the Finns Party, Estonia Party of People’s Unity, ALFA in Germany, Syriza and Independent Greeks who saw the potential for it to be positive under the right conditions.

 

Noam Chomsky: Antifa is a ‘major gift to the Right’

Many activists affiliated with the loosely organized Antifa movement consider themselves anarchists or socialists. They often wear black and take measures to conceal their identity.
Chomsky said, “what they do is often wrong in principle – like blocking talks – and [the movement] is generally self-destructive.”
“When confrontation shifts to the arena of violence, it’s the toughest and most brutal who win – and we know who that is,” said Chomsky, a professor emeritus of linguistics at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. “That’s quite apart from the opportunity costs – the loss of the opportunity for education, organizing, and serious and constructive activism.”

 

 

 

Climate Change All Angles Booklet PDF. By This Blogs Writer.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6ZHfkDjveZzYXU3UHhLem1HQms/view

P.50 of this climate change PDF on the Petro Dollar and the report drilling into Debt is very informative.
http://priceofoil.org/content/uploads/2011/01/DrillingIntoDebt.pdf

https://www.quora.com/Why-is-oil-priced-and-traded-in-U-S-dollars

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Angus Michael Mckenzie The EU is a lot of things, Fascist, it is not. Neo-Liberal, yes. You are conflating attributes of Fascism with the thing itself, and in fact only include attributes which it shares with most Western countries before and after the rise of Fascism in the 30’s. The only thing you miss is what the fascists themselves self identified with, which is National Socialism. It is at bottom a nationalistic and racist ideology. That you miss out the fact that fascism and Fascists are on the whole racist is also a glaring massive crater sized hole in your opinion, that highlights the fact that you so embedded in white culture and a white privileged perspective I’m literally choking on the fact. 

It is amazing in fact to watch someone side step the issue of race and nationalism over and over again, ideology is a strong thing.

The insistence of populations being a category has nothing to do with Marxism, and Marxism hasn’t necessarily got anything to do with communism and I’m neither a Marxist or a Communist, though I appreciate the ideals of Communism and the analysis of Marx, flawed though it is. 

What that insistence on populations as analytical categories has to do with is the recognition that it is a term of governmentality, it is a term used by – and historically developed by – government institutions to understand large numbers of people at the same time. This is all I mean, there is no particularly political issue at stake, a little, in that I see it as an analytical tool that effects the thing that it studies. By this I mean that governments then use information they have developed with this analytical category to make policy decision. At bottom my point is that the understanding of and analysis of people as populations, no matter who does it – and this is my main problem with Marxism, though I notice that you do it too – assumes a uniformity that isn’t there and in turn produces, through coercion and normativity, this uniformity. In this sense it is simply an historical analysis of the term and a political analysis of its ramifications. It has nothing to do with Marxism, Marx used the concept for sure, but so do all political economists, it’s essential to epistemology of Political Economy to think in terms of populations; one of the many reasons why I am deeply suspicious of the concept. I believe this is the reason you use it and I would urge you to critically question the assumptions of that discipline, rather than using it to garner intellectual authority.

I don’t Understand how you can quote Bakunin – violent, amoral atheist – and Proudhon – pacifist devoutly Christian and moralising – at the same time is a little beyond me, especially as you are doing it quiet out of context and randomly in some effort to prove your credentials. To then criticize Marxism outright shows that you have an elementary sectarian relationship with Anarchism. I would suggest to you that this isn’t how anarchists proceed. I don’t particularly like either Proudhon or Bakunin, but Kropotkin is really great, and at bottom theory is nothing compared with what you learn when you begin to actually practice anarchism and introduce it into all aspects of your life. I would sincerely encourage you to do so, I see you’ve got kids, but spending vacation times and farming collectives and going to anarchist meeting groups in your area is definitely possible. 

I’d also advice you spend less time on the internet and only use your blog to post full articles rather than copying and pasting facebook posts, it really isn’t that important. 

I’d suggest you read me more carefully.

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Roger Lewis Angus, You have shown yourself to be both a dishonest and objectionable person. 
You have failed to engage with Arguments and met contradictions of your strong claims with abuse against me, the arguer and not the argument.
You are clearly some sort of 
Fanatic. 
The EU you claim is not Fascist. I disagree.
National Socialism is a species of fascism but the definition I reference is Roosevelts, with Ecos and the List of metrics suggested on the things twice Blog.
You initiated this discussion, it is of course quite irrelevant what I seek to show in my Blog is the possibility of Dialogue and tolerance in discussion. Your highly prescriptive style of Adversarial hectoring debate is in my opinion only effective in generating a lot more heat than light. 

http://www.defenddemocracy.press/president-belgian…/

The Eu falsifies your claim that All Nationalism is fascist eventually. And the claim you make that Nationalism is the root of all Fascism.
Further Plaid Cymru, The SNP the PLO and PKK Arab and Kurdish Nationalists would also have something to say about that.

Your analysis blames the People who make up the Communities or “populations” resident in geographic areas, your clumsy accusations of my attributing feelings to abstract constructs are just that lame rhetorical devices employed by an egotistical demagogue. In Short Angus I think you are a Fraud and you can save your condescending faux concern and suggestions on how I live my Life, I live according to my own Principles and quite frankly what your opinion is of absolutely no interest to me whatsoever.
What is of concern to me is that you seem to be claiming some sort of Anarchist purity in your life choices and seek to impose them
on to other people, this is a very big clue to the Deep fascist authoritarian streak lurking within your frantic seeking of meaning and status for your own dogmas, well that doesn´t wash with me you make poor arguments and the arguments you do make have been found wanting.

 

 

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Angus Michael Mckenzie I started off responding to your post because you have a condescending attitude when talking to people, I now know that you don’t know what you are talking about and have the knowledge of somebody who studied analytical philosophy and spends too much too much time on the Internet...See More Also, you’ve still not mentioned race or racism, so I couldn’t give a flying fuck about anything that you say or any of your adored blog posts, I consider you to be tacitly racist and sharing more in common with the Alt-Right than with either anarchism or me. 


you need to: 

talk to actual people and get off the Internet. 
Meet people of a different ethnicity 
read some critical race theory … 
meat actually practicing Anarchists 

You can do what you like, I’m just giving you some advice, 

I am clearly fantastic thanks for saying so
XOX 😉

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Roger Lewis Angus, Have you read Cornel Wests Race matters, Cornell is actually my favourite living Philosopher. I do not suffer from the Middle-Class Public School boy guilt which you drag around so do not feel the need that you seem to state the bloody obvious about colonialism and institutional racism. As with all Zealots, you make the mistake of thinking you’re the only one that as ever heard of racism or colonialism .
This is a tune I wrote and set to Cornels monologue in his segment of the Examined Life.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jadVu0JscY

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Angus Michael Mckenzie You didn’t mention the fact that Fascism and fascists are racist, what am I supposed to think? 7
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Roger Lewis I was blown away by the appearance of Melina Abdullah of Black Lives Matters on Democracy now yesterday following the Sanders win in the Michigan Primary. Professor Abdullah made a persuasive case for those interested in real change in the US not to become over invested in a democratic (sic) process simply not designed as democratic in the sense of By the people for the people. The process is corrupt how ever hard Sanders or in a charitable case Clinton and even Trump push back against. Its wider than that and the African American viewpoint is not something as A white Male expatriate white British Male in Sweden could ever understand let alone articulate so Reading Professors work as I have Dr Cornell Wests ( Race Matters for instance) will provide me something of a shadow in the Allegory of the Cave. Cornell West inspired my Track Blues Man in the life of the mind. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jadV… and when Professor Abdulllah mentioned and quite obviously referenced the Great Gil Scott Herons the revolution will not be televised I had to just edit that together along with some of the words of my Favorite living Philosopher Cornell West, and of Course the Dangerous Dude from the Brooklyn Hood Bernie Sanders. What happens in the US is more important to my Country of Birth The United Kingdom than the referendum to leave the EU, My blog on that can be found here. http://letthemconfectsweeterlies.blogspot.se/…/brexit…

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Roger Lewis what am I supposed to think? It would help to listen and then to actually think.
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Angus Michael Mckenzie So, are nationalism and and racism related?
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Angus Michael Mckenzie I’ve listened, you talk this fucking tv host commentariate pap, patronise people with phrases like ‘I appreciate that you don’t like…. but … ‘ 

And then at the end of it you make all these definitions of fascism that do not even include racism, despite the immense historical proofs to the contrary. 

I will admit that the question of nationalism becomes more problematic when it comes to countries trying to wrestle themselves out of the yolk of colonialism, but this is a contingent necessity and generally, they have an internationalist outlook. However there is always the risk – one historically proven over and over again, that they indeed do become fascist after a while, this can be seen with the IRA in Ireland, with the Blue shirts after they gained control of their country.

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Angus Michael Mckenzie I’ve taken this tone with you because i get annoyed at people who speak from an objective position of authority, like you blog post, where you get to cut and past conversations to suit yourself,, it is the hight of narcissism… at least here you have the opportunity to have you position questioned, not that you seem to take it.
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Roger Lewis Angus, Some Nationalists are Racist and Xenophobic that is empirically provable. Nationalism as an Ideology or Nationalism as a geographic designation takes rather a lot of unpacking. 
Colonialism is very much racist and again empirically demonstrable 
the Idea of Nation and the existence of Nations qua nations is not logically, in my opinion, an a priori consequence. 
My Welsh NAtionalist and Welsh Speaking god daughters in Cardiff, for instance, are not Racist and the same goes for our Bretagne and Basque and Cornish speaking fellow Celts.
Perhaps Nationalism or the idea of Nation has been linguistically condensed into a meaning which I do not recognise and that may be the sense in which you use the term. The Same cases exist for say the PLO and The PKK , a point made by David Malone in his Culture Matters blog I linked to above, Culture and Belonging grows from an attachment to the geographical space people cleave to and to cultural norms and conventions which provide a coherence and meaning to kinship groups. 
The whole question is served very badly I think in the huge generalisation that Nationalism is always and necessarily Racist I do not think that stands up as an argument.
I love this poem by the way. Which fits very well with the Experience of Minority Language Speakers in the UNited Kingdom and of course these forms of discrimination lie throughout Europe as well as the rest of the former British empire. My own Grand Parents were flogged as Children for speaking Welsh in School which was banned by the English.

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Roger Lewis Angus, You admitted yourself you started this conversation behaving like a Cunt, and you have continued in that vein right up to your last Post.
My Blog is my Notebook on my own programme of Auto Didactic studies in areas of Political Economy and cultu
re that interest me.
The Nature of Writing and Blogging is I suppose possibly Narcissistic as is having a You Tube Channel and posting ones own Songs and Poetry and Music. 
I have since reading Osho’s essay on Ego the False Centre to wait for my own Ego to fall away like the skin from a snake. I am still Waiting.

http://letthemconfectsweeterlies.blogspot.se/…/ego…

When I write I am aware that some people think I come across as somewhat stiff necked and Formal, that is perhaps an artefact from my up bringing and perhaps ages me, I was born in 1964 and am distinct of my own Late Baby Boomer generation.

https://bill40.wordpress.com/…/david-malone-ungarbled…/

First of all, I’d like to introduce the interviewer Roger Lewis (left) who was, to me, most unexpected in his approach, the interview was no love in and he was not afraid to challenge David on the basis of his own views and outlook, for example on Brexit. I only know Roger through the blogosphere and the first surprise to me was his appearance. I’d imagined him as the type who went to bed in a suit and tie and only slightly loosened his collar when the temperature exceeded 35 degrees celsius. Instead I was confronted by a sanitised version of Catweasle! Long flowing locks and moustache, I hope he’ll forgive the Catweasle reference, casual clothes but a razor-sharp mind. There was an obvious chemistry between the two so even in times of disagreement there was no shouting across each other, both were able to make their points informatively.

’O wad some Power the giftie gie us 
To see oursels as ithers see us! 
It wad frae mony a blunder free us, 
An’ foolish notion: 
What airs in dress an’ gait wad lea’e us, 
An’ ev’n devotion!’’
Robert Burns Country: To A Louse: On Seeing One On A Lady’s Bonnet, At Church

 

Six Ways to Sunday, Deep State and Fake News ( More on Distorted Narratives, Divide and Rule)

A golden Rule in folklores Canon
holds what’s sauce for the goose is sauce for the Gander
do unto others that which to you would be done
thus applied in discussion, we should always avoid slander.
Leave at the first introduction
the habits of Authority and induction
When those listening seem deaf to what you tell
refrain if you please from poisoning the well
if your working hypothesis requires certitude
refrain from tailoring cloth that renders the emperor nude
If to your point, you wish others to allude
refrain from a hypocritical sneering attitude.
When your correspondent appeals to evidence
consider their sources, were they well meant?
In all matters, skepticism will serve you with equivalence
and always remember to mistrust the Government.
 

A few more notes and themes for further development. (TBC)

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The intended audience of this article is really Germans, who suffer from Stefan Rahmstorf, but I (Dr. Duane Thresher) think Americans and the rest of the world will find it fascinating as well.

Full disclosure: Dr. Claudia Kubatzki is coauthor on several papers with Stefan Rahmstorf and was also at the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research (PIK) with him.

Who is Stefan Rahmstorf? Aside from a few hacks at the New York Times, their witless readers, and the climate change cabal at the American Geophysical Union not many Americans have ever heard of him … and they should be thankful for that.

https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Document:Some_Big_Lies_of_Science#endnote_6

Some Big Lies of Science

“The majority of politicians, on the evidence available to us, are interested not in truth but in power and in the maintenance of that power. To maintain that power it is essential that people remain in ignorance, that they live in ignorance of the truth, even the truth of their own lives. What surrounds us therefore is a vast tapestry of lies, upon which we feed.” – Harold Pinter, Nobel Prize Lecture (Literature), 2005
The maintenance of the hierarchical structures that control our lives depends on Pinter’s “vast tapestry of lies upon which we feed.” Therefore the main institutions that embed us into the hierarchy, such as schools, universities, and mass media and entertainment corporations, have a primary function to create and maintain this tapestry. This includes establishment scientists and all service intellectuals in charge of “interpreting” reality.
In fact, the scientists and “experts” define reality in order to bring it into conformation with the always-adapting dominant mental tapestry of the moment. They also invent and build new branches of the tapestry that serve specific power groups by providing new avenues of exploitation. These high priests are rewarded with high class status.

Conclusion

It just goes on and on. What is not a lie?
Look at the recent H1N1 scam – another textbook example. It’s farcical how far these circuses go: Antiseptic gels in every doorway at the blink of an eye; high school students getting high from drinking the alcohol in the gels; out datedness of the viral strain before the pre-paid vaccine can be mass produced; unproven effectiveness; no requirement to prove effectiveness; government guarantees to corporate manufacturers against client lawsuits; university safety officers teaching students how to cough; etc.
Pure madness. Has something triggered our genetically ingrained First World stupidity reflex? Is this part of our march towards fascism [8]?
Here is another one. Educators promote the lie that we learn because we are taught. This lie of education is squarely denounced by radical educators [9][10].
University professors design curricula as though the students actually learn every element that is delivered whereas the truth is that students don’t learn the delivered material and everyone only learns what they learn. One could dramatically change the order in which courses are delivered and it would make no measurable difference in how much students learn. Students deliver nonsense and professors don’t care. Obedience and indoctrination are all that matter so the only required skill is bluffing. Students know this and those that don’t don’t know what they know, don’t know themselves.
Pick any expert opinion or dominant paradigm: It’s part of a racket.
We can’t know the truth because the truth is brutal.

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The tragi-comedy that is “Brown Moses”

The Name Higgins and the claim of His discovery of Chemical Weapons proof in syria appeared on the BBC today.http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-41036631
regarding Fake ANTIFA evidence planted by Alt – Right groups.
“Eliot Higgins, who traced evidence of chemical weapons use in Syria, found evidence the anti-Antifa campaign was organised on 4Chan, which has a reputation for acting as a meeting place for alt-right groups, and runs a “politically incorrect” board with extreme racist and homophobic comments.
Mr Higgins posted a screenshot of a call to action on the message board, which encouraged far-right sympathisers to search online for images of domestic violence, add their own slogan such as “She deserves it for being a Nazi,” then post them on social media using pre-determined hashtags.”

by BlackCatte

eliotsresearch
The story of the unemployed office-worker, of strictly average abilities drawing lines on grainy photos with Paint and having the PTB hail him as a cyber-genius is the basis for a great unwritten novel. A bleak, black farce for our time. A modern-day “Our Man in Havana“, with screen caps from Google Earth replacing the sketches of vacuum cleaner parts.
Bottom line is Eliot Higgins, aka BrownMoses, aka one-man ‘research group’ Bellingcat is funny. He just is. And there’s nothing much his would-be promoters can do about that. They try to sell him as a gritty ‘citizen journalist’, but he doesn’t have the face or the CV for it, and it always falls flat. Even casual conversation with him reveals the embarrassing truth that his “research”, so lauded in the popular media, consists of entry-level computer skills and an awful lot of smoke-blowing. You or…
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Eliot Higgins of Bellingcat, Who is He? Everything You Need to Know…

Fake News Trolls and AgitProp
This is part of the series, Who’s Who in Ukraine Propaganda (#3) 
Graham Phillips
In 2016, I’ll be returning to my country of the UK, and there’s a man I’d certainly like to meet for an interview. While I was working on the scene from the war in Eliot Higgins 2Donbass, Eliot Higgins, of Bellingcat, was the man sitting on a sofa taking, and manipulating, YouTube videos (including my own) of Donbass, MH17, Syria, using them to disseminate misinformation, lies, to the world.
However, he’s unlikely ever to agree to an interview with me, because, you see, Higgins, from the UK, born 1979, avoids sources who may raise uncomfortable questions much like critics have accused his work of avoiding basis in science, or fact (see below for more on that).
So, who exactly is Eliot Higgins? The man western media fawn over to the extent you may think…
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Social Conditioning

 

Related very closely to the concept of Groupthink is a process called Social Conditioning .  However, where Groupthink relates to cognitive issues in a small group, Social Conditioning is concerned more with broad social implications – typically nationwide.
Social conditioning is the sociological process of training individuals in a society to respond in a manner generally approved by the society in general and peer groups within society.
Manifestations of social conditioning are vast, but they are generally categorized as social patterns and social structures including nationalism, education, employment, entertainment, popular culture, religion, spirituality and family life. The social structure in which an individual finds him or herself influences and can determine their social actions and responses.

Helical Solar System Motion Through the Galaxy: Heretical Revelation or Well-known Fact? – Part 2

 

Summary of Part 1

So . . . . in a similar manner to my experience, we have someone (DjSadhu) discover a fact that:
  1. was never before shared with him in any form (school, documentaries, books, web sites, etc.), and
  2. was a revolutionary idea totally different from what he did learn, so he had to share his “aha” moment with others.
Unlike me (no video animation expertise) DjSadhu produces a slick video to show this newfound perspective, since he can’t find anything like it elsewhere.
What’s the response from the “interwebs”?    🙂

Critic/Instructor – Rhys Taylor

Here we have the rare individual who is both a scientist, critic and yet not above being an educator/instructor.  Mr. Smith and Mr. Plait could learn much from Mr. Taylor (post-doctorate in astrophysics).
Mr. Taylor wrote a few articles herehere and here.  What sets him off from Mr. Plait and Mr. Smith is two-fold:
  1. He understands that DjSadhu’s first couple of videos have scientific errors, yet the basicpremise of the solar system moving through space in a helical motion is for the most part correct.
  2. He takes a constructive win-win approach and works in a positive manner with DjSadhu to fix the errors in an attempt to produce a more accurate video than the original two.
The result?  A third video by DjSadhu that according to Mr. Taylor is “a million times better and has correct physics.”  Mr. Sadhu’s associated blog post to accompany that video is here.  Here’s that video:
Mr. Taylor actually carried on a critical yet positive conversation with Mr. Sadhu – the ultimate intent towards a more accurate model.  He even developed his own version of the helical motion to show DjSadhu the correct motion and inclination:
RhysNotVortex
Bruce Charlton, In PC no one is ever safe.

http://letthemconfectsweeterlies.blogspot.se/2017/06/professor-bruce-charlton-pc-playing-man.html

http://letthemconfectsweeterlies.blogspot.se/2017/04/timonism-calvanist-strain-in-neo.html

 

http://letthemconfectsweeterlies.blogspot.se/2017/03/catch-up-democracypc-is-indifferent-to.html

 

Is anybody safe?
Under PC, whatever you do, whatever willing you show, status is contingent.
There is no safety even for members of the ruling elite in a system of Political Correctness; anyone at all is susceptible to denunciation for any reason or no reason at any time.
Since PC is a wave of moral ‘progress’ which leaves-behind all previous moral standards and behaviours – there can be no accumulation of moral capital.
This applies to the ultra-PC just as much as to the openly reactionary.
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(In this respect PC is more like communist than fascist totalitarianism: under fascism membership-of and courageous loyalty to the in-group usually brings safety from denunciation; but under communism anybody was vulnerable to denunciation – friends and enemies of the government alternated with bewildering rapidity: nobody was safe.)
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Indeed, the PC elite seem especially vulnerable to denunciation – since they are under continuous scrutiny; it is hard to keep-up with the pace of change, and the change is so arbitrary; it is very difficult to suppress common sense 24/7.
The highest member of the PC elite is only a single gaffe away from disaster.
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(Note: A ‘gaffe’ is when an elite PC intellectual momentarily forgets to lie.)
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Under political correctness, you are only as good as today’s match between your motivations and the ever-changing societal symbols of virtue.
PC assumes that (as an elite intellectual) your motivations are bad unless proven good – and motivations cannot be proven.
You may advertise your good motivations relentlessly – daily, hourly – but you cannot ever prove conclusively, against hostile skepticism, that you are deep-down and overall a fully PC (hence decent) person.
(Not least because it is very unlikely that you are a decent person – after all, who is?).
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All of this means that a politically correct social diktat can (from whatever cause – such as elite competition, the need for a scapegoat, or the whim of the media) arbitrarily decide at any time to stop giving you the benefit of the intrinsic doubt; and then you will be helpless, isolated, stripped of all moral status, a marked-man, a legitimate target of self-righteous aggression.
*
Because, after all, you are guilty – everybody is.
And scapegoats are sometimes necessary: tough luck that it happened to be you.
http://thoughtprison-pc.blogspot.se/
 
 
 
  • We must now take precautions to prevent you from being embarrassed by something in which the ignorant majority is at fault for lack of proper consideration, and so from supposing with them, that man has not been created truly good simply because he is able to do evil. … If you reconsider this matter carefully and force your mind to apply a more acute understanding to it, it will be revealed to you that man’s status is better and higher for the very reason for which it is thought to be inferior: it is on this choice between two ways, on this freedom to choose either alternative, that the glory of the rational mind is based, it is in this that the whole honor of our nature consists, it is from this that its dignity is derived.
  • Pelagius

    Pelagius (c. 390-418) was an Irish or British ascetic moralist, who became well known throughout the Roman Empire in Late Antiquity. He was declared a heretic by the Council of Carthage. His doctrine became known as Pelagianism.

My aim is not to provide excuses for black behaviour or to absolve blacks of personal responsibility. But when the new black conservatives accent black behaviour and responsibility in such a way that the cultural realities of black people are ignored, they are playing a deceptive and dangerous intellectual game with the lives and fortunes of disadvantaged people. We indeed must criticize and condemn immoral acts of black people, but we must do so cognizant of the circumstances into which people are born and under which they live. By overlooking these circumstances, the new black conservatives fall into the trap of blaming black poor people for their predicament. It is imperative to steer a course between the Scylla of environmental determinism and the Charybdis of a blaming-the-victims perspective.
from Race Matters. Cornell West.

Six Ways to Sunday, Trump and the Deep State. Schumer´s prediction.

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Roger Lewis Craig I get that you do not Like Pres. Trump Craig, Neither do I very much either. What is missed in much of this hype against Pres Trump is that the Deep State , controlled Obama and has Controlled every US president since Carter. ( The CIA only got going properly in the 50´s so it took 20 plus years to subvert the US republic. The Final Job was done by Bush The Second, and after 9/11 the US constitution was shredded more or less with the Patriot ACT etc, Of Course Clinton had trashed the Corporate Oversight brought in by Roosevelts New Dealers before Bush delivered the Coup de Grace.
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Craig Crofton I’m aware there are other players behind the scenes but I’m only focusing in on one part of Trumps persona here
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Craig Crofton And I will continue to
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Roger Lewis Craig, unfortunately, The Presidency is compromised in the US system now regardless of which flavor of the Two Party pantomime has supposed control.
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Craig Crofton Okay Roger Lewis. I respect your knowledge and opinion but it’s my fb page so I’ll post up what I want 😘
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Roger Lewis Craig, Post away, I am not saying that you should not post anything people should post what they please , what is really important is that we all chat about these things and feel comfortable making our own observations asking what things mean and what is denoted, It may seem obvious to us when we post something but none of us are mind readers.
I really enjoy seeing your posts and when I make comments it is just showing interest , i would not dream of censuring or sensoring anything or anyone.

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Roger Lewis https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Px0rxcU7XQ This video tells you all you really need to know why on this Trump business we all need to be really careful what we wish for. Watch Oliver Stones Ukraine in Flames also for some context.

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Craig Crofton And I particularly think it’s a genius idea how you can send an image onto someone’s building without breaking the law to get a message across. I think those are the two reasons I put this post up Roger Lewis. Maybe you didn’t get that?
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Roger Lewis Hi Craig, I think the crisis in US democracy is now so acute that my sense of humour has quit the building. I see very little to laugh about. Are you saying This post and all the other you have been making are Gallows Humour and just a bit of light relief ?
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Craig Crofton Roger Lewis this one for sure. But again it’s my fb page so if you don’t like what I’m posting unfollow me mae
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Roger Lewis Craig as I just posted about , Asking questions is not a sign of complaint, not in my own world anyway. Discussion is a great gift of free speech and democracy. political correctness really is an enemy of both free speech and democracy.
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Craig Crofton Roger Lewis indeed. But my take from your response to my post is that I shouldn’t be posting anything negative about trump and that I should be dogging deeper and whilst I agree that Trump is a puppet ( with the puppet masters lurking in dark corners) this post in particular was more light hearted. Did you read or even look at it ?
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Roger Lewis Yes, Craig, I did look at it I have posted a comment on the independent as well, the first one, cut5 and pastes from my comments here.
I raised the question as I have also looked at and read many of your other Trump posts which are in the same vein. I 
do wonder how many people see the posts funny or not in the context of the US constitution and the present danger to US democracy ( always a shaky concept and now perhaps an extinct one ( nothing to do with trump.
Trump is a very easy target for comedy, and a lot of it is very funny, the wider context of the attack against the democratic process in the US ( yes I know he did not win the popular vote, but the electoral college is actually a very sound idea at the heart of its reasoning).
If Trump is impeached, Is Mike Pence any better?, that is the choice, Pence in many respects is much worse than Mr Trump.
In 2020WHo will the Democrats Field, It will not be Bernie, I think we can be sure, will the US conjure up an Emmanuel Macron ( The day democracy died in the French republic ).

As I have explained I was not complaining about your post I merely raised the point that we should all be careful what we wished for, what next is a very interesting and important question, It is one that applies equally well to the Brexit question and the calls for Brexit to be stopped. Then what?

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Craig Crofton Yes I’m very concerned about what is lurking behind the corner. Again this post wasn’t poking fun at trump. I found it genius that a visual artist was able to get their point across by a sort of “graffiti” street art style by putting a temporary image up on a building. That was why I shared this. It could’ve been a message posted on a building about anything and I would’ve enjoyed the whit behind it
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Craig Crofton So you swamping me with other posts about the deep state isn’t applicable/ appropriate in my opinion. And as it’s my page not yours I think I have a right to say that
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Roger Lewis Yes, Craig of course you do, I thought we were having a discussion and when posts appear in ones time line I thought the idea was to engage and comment when moved to do so.
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Roger Lewis From 2013 one of my favourite Blogs ever.
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at 21 secs, Hi Chuck, he used to love me when I was a democrat.

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http://letthemconfectsweeterlies.blogspot.se/2016/11/the-giant-sucking-sound-sharp-intake-of.html

If we fast Forward to the 2016 Presidential Debate and the Al Smith Memorial Dinner. What we see is a GOP candidate who does not represent the GOP Establishment and Democratic Party candidate who does represent both the GOP and Democratic Party Establishment both having become Federalist, in the old sense of the original two party contextualising of what the Republic was to be.
There are two striking factoids about the Al Smith Memorial Dinner and those are that 1948 and 1992 are the only two years in its 67-year history that the respective candidates for president did not address the dinner those years are 1948 and 1992.
In 1948 A Democratic Candidate Truman was on the ticket that had been installed by the establishment against the popular choice Henry A Wallace had lost out to Truman for Vice president in 1944 and in 1948 ran as an independent.



The 1992 Election had the third candidate Ross Perot and also Bill Clinton came from out of the blue to secure the Democratic Nomination and topple the incumbent George Herbert Walker Bush for the presidency.



The other notable year is 1960 when Kennedy beat Nixon. Kennedy’s address to the Dinner in 1960 is instructive in its reference to the 1928 Election when Smith Lost to the Republicans



http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=74114

We need to wake up the young men who are born old, cowering in their ruts, afraid of the unknown worlds that lie beyond the map. We need to cut through the shibboleths of contentment and reassurance, and recognize, in John Boyle O’Reilly’s words, that:
The world is large when its weary leagues two loving hears divide;
But the world is small when your enemy is loose on the other side.”
Al Smith himself warned: “In the height and glory of every nation, men are prone to forget their responsibilities.
We dare no longer forget our responsibilities – to our nation and its heritage, to all the free word, to all the generations yet unborn. We dare no longer neglect the fact, as Charles Malik has put it, that “Communism cannot be met by a mere nay; it requires a mighty yea.” We dare no longer ignore the fact that the world is changing – our cities, our maps, our frontiers and even our adversaries – all are changing. And in this era of change and challenge, we need the hard, tough leadership and the frank, fresh call of Alfred Emanuel Smith.
For legend has it that after the bloody battle of Thermopylae, the victor Xerxes prepared to spread a purple cloak over the body of his vanquished enemy Leonidas, out of admiration for his valor. But as he was about to lower the cloak, a strange voice out of nowhere called out: “No. Take that cloak from me. I will accept no favor from the Persians.” And Xerxes knew that it was Leonidas, speaking to him from the other world. And he called out into space: “But thou art dead, Leonidas. Why hate the Persians even in death?” And, according to the legend, back came the stirring reply: “The passion for freedom dieth not.”
Al Smith’s passion for freedom did not die with him. It is ours to nurture today. May we all be true to that great legacy.”

Nixons Response.To Kennedy.

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=25404

And, so, on this particular occasion, when we honor a man who was a great political leader, but a man also who had a great religious faith, America’s lesson from him is this: Keep America strong militarily. Be sure that we are also the strongest nation in the world economically. But also, above everything else, remember that America must present to the whole world the image of a people concerned about the problems of the world because if poverty and misery and disease and tyranny exist we would be concerned even if there were no communism.
This is what we must convey, and this, through our religious faith, we will be able to convey much more effectively than simply through the actions of government or through what a President of the United States may be able to say.
And, so, in conclusion, I would add only this last thought: Many years have passed since the year 1928. Many memories have become less bitter through the years. Three weeks from today either Senator Kennedy or I will be the President-elect of this country, and then we will go our separate courses in the years to come. I’ve been trying to think how I could best close my remarks and refer to him and refer to me, and I go back to the campaign of 1928. Herbert Hoover was elected. Al Smith lost. But both of them lived many, many years longer, and both of them, the longer they lived, gained love and affection from the American people – and I would only hope tonight that, however, this election turns out, Senator Kennedy and I in the years ahead will be able to conduct ourselves with the dignity, the decency which earned the esteem and the love of the American people for the two men who were engaged in that great campaign of 1928

From these two speeches it is apparent that as Nixon himself noted Kennedy had the better Speech Writer, that His Father Joseph would not Pay for a Landslide is commented upon in the great book, Sins of the Father, He obviously did not see any merit in Skimping on the best Speech writers.

Watch Hilary Clintons Speech in Response to trumps, She was a very bad candidate, this exchange shows it and also the Shumer Banter was Telling. Take some time and watch the Dias as the Guests are introduced by the Master of Ceremonies, There you will see how the President of the United States is really Elected and Donald Trump was not that Choice, he had a very tough Room that night as the cat calling during his speech showed.

As Ray McGovern Says in the interview linked above, The choice was Plague or Cholera.

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The curious sensation of being called a Fascist for pointing out the rhetorical excesses in the MSM against Donald Trump?

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Angus Michael Mckenzie Roger, you need to work on your pat, you sound like a conspiracy theory version of the school therapist in south park, m’kay…

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Roger Lewis Angus you might like this Post I did on Conspiracy Theory Snobbery.
http://letthemconfectsweeterlies.blogspot.se/…/complots…

I am a Philosopher and a Poet , I am interested in Facts, Quite often Facts are hidden in plain view, we choose to see them or not.

And on Truth.
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Authentic Discourses on Decisions to Act.

A golden Rule in folklores Canon
holds what’s sauce for the goose is sauce for the Gander
do unto others that which to you would be done
thus applied in discussion, we should always avoid slander.

Leave at the first introduction
the habits of Authority and induction
When those listening seem deaf to what you tell
refrain if you please from poisoning the well

if your working hypothesis requires certitude
refrain from tailoring cloth that renders the emperor nude
If to your point, you wish others to allude
refrain from a hypocritical sneering attitude.

When your correspondent appeals to evidence
consider their sources, were they well meant?
In all matters, skepticism will serve you with equivalence
and always remember to mistrust the Government.
Roger Lewis 2017.
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Angus Michael Mckenzie I’m not saying that conspiracy theories are wrong, and I get that you are very aware of the bullshit that folk like the CIA do, I don’t like it much either. But, Roger, Presidents tacitly condoning fascism isn’t about the state it is about the population, a fascist state without a fascist population is one thing, but a fascist state with a fascist population, that is quiet a different thing all together….

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Roger Lewis Hi Andy, The US population is highly propagandised perhaps more so than any of the countries in the Washington Consensus. All of our countries including my adopted home here in Sweden has a degree of Propaganda beyond which I would like to see.
It is a
 long way from t6hose statements to claiming g that Fascism is wide spread even in the USA. I simply do not accept that either the US , The UK or Here in Sweden that Fascism is on the rise to any significant degree.
Here in Sweden the Sweden Democrats(SD) who are a Swedish version of the BNP, not UKIP and some of whose leaders have been caught out as full blown Nazis in the Past is actually leading the opinion polls ahead of our Elections for the Swedish Parliament next year. The rise of support for the SD is not because all of a sudden some dormant Fascist sympathies have awoken in the Swedish people it is that the Swedish Governments across the political divide have all fallen prey to Political correctness and also towing the EU line of Immigration, beyond the Social infrastructure supported by the Swedish local and central government system. Ordinary people have lived with the consequences and as the SD have been very vocal and largely correct about a failing of Central and local government services due to immigration outpacing the ability of Local and central government services, particularly housing to keep up.
The Problem in the UK and Sweden is partly national Government and partly EU policy.
In the US , NAFTA has been a very bad outcome for all but large Corporations and this is what Trumps supporters realise and Trump to his credit, withdrew from NAFTA and that part of his agenda has gone OK. I think Trump is also right about making sure that people emigrating or even seeking asylum from the MENA conflicts or other conflict zones do need to be properly documented and screened against Jihadi sympathise, that’s just common sense.
WIth respect to Charlottesville, it is also true that Agent Provocateurs have been deployed in protest movements, ( Occupy was heavily infiltrated by CIA/FBI, and there is no reason to suppose that BLM and other protest groups are free of infiltration now. Trump says these things which is not the Political thing to do but it does not make him Sympatico with White supremacists or Nazis or The KKK. Trump is clearly deeply flawed as a person but there is a huge degree of exaggeration regarding those flaws, Trump doesn´t get the same breaks as Obama and Clinton and Bush etc as quite simply he is not the Establishments Pick, Hilary was and for the Establishment Trumps policy on NAFTA alone runs contrary to the Establishments neo liberal and neo conservative agenda of the past 40 years. 
Trump’s foreign policy is terrible but since 1990 and the fall of the Berlin Wall etc that has been the default setting.
With respect to Fascist states, I would argue the US has been Fascist since 2001 when the Patriot act was passed, I also consider the EU to be a Fascist organisation, that is in the Definition of Roosevelt. I oppose fascism as an anarchist I reject the State full stop and feel Direct democracy is the best form of organisation for Political Economy.
Not all Neo conservatives or Indeed Neo Liberals are Fascists some are actually Libertarian Conservatives, I suspect Donald Trump borders on the Fascist but not Nazism, which is the German Brand of Fascism and which Franco in Spain was closer to than say Mussolini. But that’s all hair splitting. Populations are by and large ignored and irrelevant under either the US or most G20 systems, the direction of travel has been further away from democracy rather than towards it for the past 40 years but populations are In my view generally small c conservative with a broad small l liberal streak, most folk understand the benefit of and seek out more of a balance where they can, the present system makes leading a balanced life more and more difficult, Trump, it seems does not have the solutions, neither did Hilary and Mike Pence almost certainly doesn´t and would in my view be worse than Trump.
It is hard to see the possibility of Trump serving a second term, it would though be better for the US to get him to see out the 4 years he has been elected to, in 2020 if the Dems get their act together they should easily beat the Republicans on 2016 form they would likely lose again. WHy US liberal mionded folk do not turn their attention to sorting g out the Democrats and getting it to be a viable force to win the 2020 election is beyond me, is it really not so obvious that efforts would best be channelled into that?

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Angus Michael Mckenzie So you just assume that whoever you are talking to knows less than you?

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Angus Michael Mckenzie Okay, okay, I actually bothered reading through that scrawling, rambling of a mess… apart from the fact that my name isn’t Andy, You’re arguments and reasoning are actually quiet shocking. The idea that Fascism is on the rise because of an increase of immigrants and that this is just some objective fact – immigrants + existing population = Fascism – and that the way to undo this is to placate the static unthinking and unchanging population through policy is basically appeasement, we saw what happened with that last time… I assume you don’t thing that you are an immigrant and you don’t need vetting because you are in the white club and so can never be a muslamist… 

Generally speaking, as far as I can discern you seem to be more on the fascist side than anything else, bigging up border control, excusing fascist governments. 

Look, there isn’t a problem in the UK with immigration and I doubt that there is in Sweden either. However, in England – I ain’t got a clue about Sweden – there is definitely a problem with a widening gap between rich and poor and the poor in their state of impotence will get pulled into ideological scapegoating, I don’t deny that. I also know that the UK government policy with housing asylum seekers is that they are always placed in areas that are already in a state of social and economic degradation which again, is clearly going to push already disenfranchised people further towards the right.

That said, I also know a lot of people that come from these places and have been involved in anti fascist actions in areas with large immigrant and Asian populations and what is clear as day is that the fascists don’t come from area’s with lots of immigrants, they come from areas that are dominantly white and fuck poor. 

A good example of this is Bradford, where the EDL marchers got bused in from Oldham and most of the white residents from Bradford stood shoulder to shoulder with there Asian neighbors to fight them off.

I don’t need schooling on the differences between different Fascist regimes, but the fact that you can see any good coming out of the Trump administration does mean that you need schooling of a very different sort.

You say that you are anarchist, but I see no anarchist thinking in what you are saying, I guess there must be a form of Anarchism which believes in borders and protecting white populations from scary black people…

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Roger Lewis Angus, Starting with ad hominem and moving to a straw man, a un promising start. Perhaps if you read what I wrote and thought about that and then responded to that. What you have done is projected and responded to what you think I have written.
If you wish to have a polite discussion I am happy to do that but I have no intention of responding to your screed of un thinking bile.

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Angus Michael Mckenzie ” screed of un thinking bile” You can do better than that….

I did read what you said, not sure where the straw man is and criticising someone’s writing does not constitute an ad hominem argument. But frankly I didn’t know where to begin and yes, quiet a lot of what you said made me quiet furious, not projection, for example: 

You said: 
“WIth respect to Charlottesville, it is also true that Agent Provocateurs have been deployed in protest movements, ( Occupy was heavily infiltrated by CIA/FBI, and there is no reason to suppose that BLM and other protest groups are free of infiltration now. Trump says these things which is not the Political thing to do but it does not make him Sympatico with White supremacists or Nazis or The KKK.”

What the actual fuck? I really don’t know where to start with this bullshit, what has Agent Provocateurs got to do with Charlottesville and BLM and how could you possibly think that Trump hasn’t been courting the far right with all the bullshit over the Mexican population during the election? Literally dumb founded. 

Did I read what you said? 

You said this: ” The rise of support for the SD is not because all of a sudden some dormant Fascist sympathies have awoken in the Swedish people it is that the Swedish Governments across the political divide have all fallen prey to Political correctness and also towing the EU line of Immigration, beyond the Social infrastructure supported by the Swedish local and central government system. Ordinary people have lived with the consequences and as the SD have been very vocal and largely correct about a failing of Central and local government services due to immigration outpacing the ability of Local and central government services, particularly housing to keep up.”

I said this: “Look, there isn’t a problem in the UK with immigration and I doubt that there is in Sweden either. However, in England – I ain’t got a clue about Sweden – there is definitely a problem with a widening gap between rich and poor and the poor in their state of impotence will get pulled into ideological scapegoating, I don’t deny that. I also know that the UK government policy with housing asylum seekers is that they are always placed in areas that are already in a state of social and economic degradation which again, is clearly going to push already disenfranchised people further towards the right.”

Rather than latching on to aggravating philosophical terms – that, though having their uses, are abused a lot to avoid facing difficult problems when someone is faced with a limit point in their thinking – can you respond to my critic of your analysis that relies so heavily on the concept and assumption of the nation state and a population that has the right or natural inclination to become fascist when there are too many brown faces around? 

I would like to say more on your analysis of populations, your understanding that they actually exist outside of an analytical setting – at one point you seemed to attribute feelings to them, very strange – and your idea that they are of no concern to certain governments. I may do if I have the patience and think that Craigmight be enjoying this in some way…

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Roger Lewis Angus, what you call a critique is nothing of the sort, terms like what the actual fuck are meaningless.
I am simply not going to entertain your grandstanding and highly aggressive invective.
I believe the comments I have made speak for themselves and 
your interpretations are coloured by your own Egotistical needs.
Projecting your own strawmen arguments and attributing them to me by your childish ad hominem adds absolutely nothing.
The Narratives you are pushing are discredited and damaging to the interests of anyone that has democratic ideals.
I have nothing to add, have a nice evening.

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Social Conditioning

 

Related very closely to the concept of Groupthink is a process called Social Conditioning .  However, where Groupthink relates to cognitive issues in a small group, Social Conditioning is concerned more with broad social implications – typically nationwide.
Social conditioning is the sociological process of training individuals in a society to respond in a manner generally approved by the society in general and peer groups within society.
Manifestations of social conditioning are vast, but they are generally categorized as social patterns and social structures including nationalism, education, employment, entertainment, popular culture, religion, spirituality and family life. The social structure in which an individual finds him or herself influences and can determine their social actions and responses.

 

Helical Solar System Motion Through the Galaxy: Heretical Revelation or Well-known Fact? – Part 2

 

Summary of Part 1

So . . . . in a similar manner to my experience, we have someone (DjSadhu) discover a fact that:
  1. was never before shared with him in any form (school, documentaries, books, web sites, etc.), and
  2. was a revolutionary idea totally different from what he did learn, so he had to share his “aha” moment with others.
Unlike me (no video animation expertise) DjSadhu produces a slick video to show this newfound perspective, since he can’t find anything like it elsewhere.
What’s the response from the “interwebs”?    🙂

Critic/Instructor – Rhys Taylor

Here we have the rare individual who is both a scientist, critic and yet not above being an educator/instructor.  Mr. Smith and Mr. Plait could learn much from Mr. Taylor (post-doctorate in astrophysics).
Mr. Taylor wrote a few articles herehere and here.  What sets him off from Mr. Plait and Mr. Smith is two-fold:
  1. He understands that DjSadhu’s first couple of videos have scientific errors, yet the basicpremise of the solar system moving through space in a helical motion is for the most part correct.
  2. He takes a constructive win-win approach and works in a positive manner with DjSadhu to fix the errors in an attempt to produce a more accurate video than the original two.
The result?  A third video by DjSadhu that according to Mr. Taylor is “a million times better and has correct physics.”  Mr. Sadhu’s associated blog post to accompany that video is here.  Here’s that video:
Mr. Taylor actually carried on a critical yet positive conversation with Mr. Sadhu – the ultimate intent towards a more accurate model.  He even developed his own version of the helical motion to show DjSadhu the correct motion and inclination:
RhysNotVortex
Bruce Charlton, In PC no one is ever safe.

http://letthemconfectsweeterlies.blogspot.se/2017/06/professor-bruce-charlton-pc-playing-man.html

http://letthemconfectsweeterlies.blogspot.se/2017/04/timonism-calvanist-strain-in-neo.html

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Is anybody safe?
Under PC, whatever you do, whatever willing you show, status is contingent.
There is no safety even for members of the ruling elite in a system of Political Correctness; anyone at all is susceptible to denunciation for any reason or no reason at any time.
Since PC is a wave of moral ‘progress’ which leaves-behind all previous moral standards and behaviours – there can be no accumulation of moral capital.
This applies to the ultra-PC just as much as to the openly reactionary.
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(In this respect PC is more like communist than fascist totalitarianism: under fascism membership-of and courageous loyalty to the in-group usually brings safety from denunciation; but under communism anybody was vulnerable to denunciation – friends and enemies of the government alternated with bewildering rapidity: nobody was safe.)
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Indeed, the PC elite seem especially vulnerable to denunciation – since they are under continuous scrutiny; it is hard to keep-up with the pace of change, and the change is so arbitrary; it is very difficult to suppress common sense 24/7.
The highest member of the PC elite is only a single gaffe away from disaster.
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(Note: A ‘gaffe’ is when an elite PC intellectual momentarily forgets to lie.)
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Under political correctness, you are only as good as today’s match between your motivations and the ever-changing societal symbols of virtue.
PC assumes that (as an elite intellectual) your motivations are bad unless proven good – and motivations cannot be proven.
You may advertise your good motivations relentlessly – daily, hourly – but you cannot ever prove conclusively, against hostile skepticism, that you are deep-down and overall a fully PC (hence decent) person.
(Not least because it is very unlikely that you are a decent person – after all, who is?).
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All of this means that a politically correct social diktat can (from whatever cause – such as elite competition, the need for a scapegoat, or the whim of the media) arbitrarily decide at any time to stop giving you the benefit of the intrinsic doubt; and then you will be helpless, isolated, stripped of all moral status, a marked-man, a legitimate target of self-righteous aggression.
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Because, after all, you are guilty – everybody is.
And scapegoats are sometimes necessary: tough luck that it happened to be you.
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  • We must now take precautions to prevent you from being embarrassed by something in which the ignorant majority is at fault for lack of proper consideration, and so from supposing with them, that man has not been created truly good simply because he is able to do evil. … If you reconsider this matter carefully and force your mind to apply a more acute understanding to it, it will be revealed to you that man’s status is better and higher for the very reason for which it is thought to be inferior: it is on this choice between two ways, on this freedom to choose either alternative, that the glory of the rational mind is based, it is in this that the whole honor of our nature consists, it is from this that its dignity is derived.
  • Pelagius

    Pelagius (c. 390-418) was an Irish or British ascetic moralist, who became well known throughout the Roman Empire in Late Antiquity. He was declared a heretic by the Council of Carthage. His doctrine became known as Pelagianism.


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My aim is not to provide excuses for black behavior or to absolve blacks of personal responsibility. But when the new black conservatives accent black behavior and responsibility in such a way that the cultural realities of black people are ignored, they are playing a deceptive and dangerous intellectual game with the lives and fortunes of disadvantaged people. We indeed must criticize and condemn immoral acts of black people, but we must do so cognizant of the circumstances into which people are born and under which they live. By overlooking these circumstances, the new black conservatives fall into the trap of blaming black poor people for their predicament. It is imperative to steer a course between the Scylla of environmental determinism and the Charybdis of a blaming-the-victims perspective.
from Race Matters. Cornell West.
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Roger Lewis Angus, you seem full of anger and a pathetic need for attention. I hope you have a nice weekend. Ad Hominem and strawmen are not a great conversation opener. It is clear to me that you have induced a great deal of meaning in what I have written which is absent anything that crossed my own mind and is certainly not present in anything, however incompetently scrawled upon the page, as it were.
Your unpleasantness and rudeness do not inspiire me to engage with you, I have no confidence that you have any wish for a dialogue.
Epictetus a constant inspiration I always find says this in his Enchiridion.

42. When any person harms you, or speaks badly of you, remember that he acts or speaks from a supposition of its being his duty. Now, it is not possible that he should follow what appears right to you, but what appears so to himself. Therefore, if he judges from a wrong appearance, he is the person hurt, since he too is the person deceived. For if anyone should suppose a true proposition to be false, the proposition is not hurt, but he who is deceived about it. Setting out, then, from these principles, you will meekly bear a person who reviles you, for you will say upon every occasion, “It seemed so to him.” 
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Angus Michael Mckenzie No I just fucking hate people with your point of view…. Happy being a philosopher and practicing anarchist – rather than your computer screen fantasy anarchism – and quiet happy also that this is all I will ever know of you.
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Angus Michael Mckenzie You know, like you talk all this crap about conspiracy theories but still think that asylum seekers are a problem… SCUM

Or, you know, thinking that assylum seekers have anything to do with terrorist attacks, when even if they are not false flags by our governments and their allies the perpetrators were born in the country and not migrants… SCUM 

And you hide you stupid fucking opinion behind philosophy, something that I have a deep respect for and hate seeing being abused by condescending fuckwits: SCUM

and yes I’m angry, any self respecting Anarchist is angry, what they don’t do is ramble on about how some of Trumps policies are okay because letting in too many Mexicans into a country with city names like Los Angeles is provoking Fascists (rather than national borders being themselves fascist) : SCUM

So, take you nice patronising bullshit fucking stupidity generating brain and go shove it up you rightwing asshole. 

I hope you choke to death this weekend.

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Angus Michael Mckenzie But, yeah definitely the whole obsession with conspiracies coupled with straight down the line immigrants provoke fascism and terrorism is about Immigrants and nothing to do with the context of neo-colonialism, or how the biggest funder of Salafi Islam and ISIS is in fact our (America and England’s) second biggest ally in the middle east, that … that was the cherry on the pie… SCUM
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Roger Lewis Angus, you need to calm down. If you stopped preaching and being all self rightous you might actually discover on which points those you attack actually agree with you on.
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Roger Lewis Simple question, if Trump is impeached and thrown out of office is Mike Pence really the result you wish for.
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Roger Lewis Second question why are the democratic party not looking to create a viable and electable team that can get the Bernie Saunders constituency mobilised against neoliberalism and the Neo-Con status quo of the past 40 years.
Facts rather than slogans speak at the end of the day, The Swedish Government published this report last year when they reversed their previously failing immigration policy. Put quite simply you can have to much of a good thing and Sweden found that cut off point. Happily, Swedes are pragmatists and I suspect that the positives of immigration regarding the Swedish demographic question of an ageing population will remain balanced against the reversal of the failing policies, throwing the baby out with the bath water does not make any sense.
you have made 3 further very angry and quite silly posts Angus, I have no wish to discuss anything with someone in the frame of mind which you project in your online public persona. I do not know you or anything about you all I have to go on are the unfounded slurs which you have thrown around in this thread of comments. Reviewing all the comments I am quite happy with what I have said your own conclusions are your own conclusions and imaginings.
Have a great weekend and do try not to be so angry.😁
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Angus Michael Mckenzie Don’t care, you basically said the Jews were responsible for Hitler. Don’t need to calm down having too much fun. and er, could I point out that the only reason I entered into this conversation is because I found you’re pat condescending and preachy… and I’m not being preachy, sticking up loads of conspiracy theory videos is preachy, I’m just getting annoyed at the white trash arguments you keep coming out with…
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“The Government’s management
of the current refugee
situation
Sweden has taken a large share of
the responsibility in the ongoing
global refugee crisis. In autumn
2015, when the EU Member States
were unable to deal with the
large number of asylum seekers
within the framework of the common
EU asylum system, the situation
became untenable, placing
a great strain on Swedish society.
The Government has therefore
taken temporary measures to substantially
reduce the number of
asylum seekers.”
Attachment missing above.
Have a great weekend, I have no intention of responding to your continued histrionics.

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Angus Michael Mckenzie Swedish State, nice Anarchist source there…. 

I’ll be less of a cunt okay (can I ad hominem myself?) 

There is clearly a European wide refugee crisis, or better called, imperial blow back, caused by all the fires that America and her allies are setting across the Globe; remember that Sweden was involved in the bombing of Libya. 

I, despite living in Europe, have little sympathy, as I think internationally and from an internationalist perspective, what is happening in Europe is not a crisis if you compare it to what is happening in the rest of the world, it is an inconvenience that the most privileged population are having to deal with because they made some pledge sixty years ago after some dick killed six million Jews and nobody gave them asylum… 

Nice pledge, but you can’t pretend to be nice whilst carrying on neo-colonial policies that lay the world to ruin, you get social cognitive dissonance on a massive scale, which is what all these entrenched white privileged populations are now facing. I’m afraid that you reap what you sow… I for one will continue to work with and welcome refugees in Europe, as I have been for the last ten years, they are generally more friendly, open and giving than Europeans anyway, and they talk frankly rather than hiding behind bullshit buzz words. 

Some reading: 

http://www.unhcr.org/576408cd7.pdf

Where you will see that Sweden has always had a control over asylum claims unlike, say, Pakistan, Iran, Lebanon or Turkey, where they come flying across the borders and in quantities far outweighing the asylum claims Sweden receives. For example: 
Turkey: 1.6 Million compared to Sweden: 169,500. 
and given that the top ten hosting countries are all considered to be developing countries, where the refugee population are having a huge effect on the countries finances, the issue’s in Sweden again pale into white people bitching about long cues for kebabs irrelevance…. 

https://www.icct.nl/…/Alex-P.-Schmid-Links-between…

“Migration control for the control of terrorism is a widely used instrument. However, it might hurt bona fide migrants and legal foreign residents more than mala fide terrorists. It fosters xenophobia and deprives host countries, where and when it has the effect of reducing migration and hospitality to foreigners, of the many positive contributions (some types of) migrants can make to a society. There is the additional danger that instruments of migration control for counter-terrorism are, further down the line, also used for controlling native citizens [this last point should set off some alarms in you as an anarchist no?].” p5

So I’m sorry, but I strongly disagree with you and as much as I might have been exaggerating, I was doing it in the name of clarity, as you seem to miss the point that Fascism is not something that lies dormant in a population, fascism is simple the logical conclusion of the Nation State, of all nation states. I don’t find it to be a particularly relevant marker to be honest as Colonialism and the Slave trade as precursors to Fascism hold most western countries in the same dark and sinister shadow of racial genocidal violence as any specifically fascist state, and the ‘war on terror’, has not only produced the refugee crisis that we are now seeing, but, as you so rightly – damn, it was near close to the only right thing you said – placed most European countries within the realms of fascism itself, without the population hailing back. Now the populations are hailing back, and as I said at the very beginning: A fascist government is one thing, but a fascist government with a fascist population is quiet another, and it is this latter problem that we have the most control over, we fight them on the streets and we don’t excuse them because they become fascist when there are too many brown faces in their neighborhood.

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Roger Lewis Angus, misrepresenting what I have said, and resorting to pure imaginings to set up straw men are not mere exaggerations, they are dishonest and have not clarified anything.
The Geo Politics of the American Empire are complex and appallingly corrupt. The US has been at war for most of its existence and is not something which I would ever defend, condone or simplify down to the work or whim of one Individual whether that be Trump, Obama or George Bush 1 or 2 or George Washington.
Paulo Freire said this,

“[T]he more radical the person is, the more fully he or she enters into reality so that, knowing it better, he or she can transform it. This individual is not afraid to confront, to listen, to see the world unveiled. This person is not afraid to meet the people or to enter into a dialogue with them. This person does not consider himself or herself the proprietor of history or of all people, or the liberator of the oppressed; but he or she does commit himself or herself, within history, to fight at their side.” 
― Paulo Freire, Pedagogy of the Oppressed

I do not consider myself the proprietor of history or of the nth degree of nuance in all of the dynamics of political economy, and so forth. 

Your deterministic conclusion that fascism is the logical conclusion of the nation state is quite a strong claim, how do you state that with such certainty?

I think your street fighting rhetoric is naive, your scenario is actually in my view falling into the trap of being divided and subsequently the rulers will then have won.

I am persuaded by Erica Chernoweths research that nonviolent civil resistance is the way to defeat the Fascism of the current Washington Consensus.Fascism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erica_Chenoweth

The point about agent provocateurs is that in violent confrontations the state with its monopoly on violence ( if the devil has all the best tunes, the State has all the best weapons of violence), rule of law has to be by consent ultimately that is a logical conclusion which I believe is supported by evidence.

What Angus, do you believe the USA is fighting for with its constant wars? is it defending its freedoms, or is it defending the Dollar?
I believe that Petro dollar hegemony is the US oligarchies most pressing problem and that it is DOllar hegemony that has driven US foreign policy for the last 45 years since the NIXON SHOCK.

http://letthemconfectsweeterlies.blogspot.se/…/us…

You finish by making this claim about a fascist population? Most CItizens and subjects if asked would identify happily as Capitalists, most would not identify as Fascists and even fewer as Nazis. There are species of Fascism as there are species of Capitalism and I think you have quite a large task in proving a claim that Fascist Populations exist as a category.

http://letthemconfectsweeterlies.blogspot.se/…/the…

http://letthemconfectsweeterlies.blogspot.se/…/syria…

Angus, you say that I almost said one right thing? Most of what I believe may well be mistaken, what I can do and try hard to always do is to state my beliefs clearly and honestly and not tailored to the audience or individual to who my statements of belief are made.
If you and I agree with each other does not denote that we are Correct (Right) it merely denotes that we believe we agree with each other and that our belief is correct. The greater the generality of the claims we make and the extent to which we agree we both share the same opinion of that truth the more likely it is that we will be in error at least in some aspects of our common ground. When one gets to the point of setting out Ideology and dogma and setting down Manifestos we get into the realms of political opinion and here we encounter the best potential for being controlled by the Divide and rule strategies of the Oligarchy.
http://letthemconfectsweeterlies.blogspot.se/…/the-iron…

Some further questions, Can you have Internationalism without Nationalism?

http://letthemconfectsweeterlies.blogspot.se/2017/03/internationalism-vs-globalisation.html

Are Internationalism and Globalism the same thing?

Now for some Bakunin, Kropotkin, and Proudhon.

´´The Obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men ´´ Oscar Wilde. 

Emilio, Bakunin predicted that ;

”They [the Marxists] maintain that only a dictatorship—their dictatorship, of course—can create the will of the people, while our answer to this is: No dictatorship can have any other aim but that of self-perpetuation, and it can beget only slavery in the people tolerating it; freedom can be created only by freedom, that is, by a universal rebellion on the part of the people and free organization of the toiling masses from the bottom up.´´
—Mikhail Bakunin, Statism and Anarchism[36
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This is for me the nub of the matter something I have in common with Joseph Proudhon, explained by Peter Kropotkin in the Encyclopedia Britannica thus.
https://archive.org/…/Peter-Kropotkin-Anarchism…

”Now Proudhon advocated a society without government and
used the word Anarchy to describe it. Proudhon repudiated,
as is known, all schemes of Communism, according to which
mankind would be driven into communistic monasteries or
barracks, as also all the schemes of state or state-aided Socialism
which were advocated by Louis Blanc and the Collectivists. When
he proclaimed in his first memoir on property that ” Property
is theft,” he meant only property in its present, Roman-law,
sense of ” right of use and abuse ” ; in property-rights, on the other
hand, understood in the limited sense of possession, he saw the
best protection against the encroachments of the state. At the
same time, he did not want violently to dispossess the present
owners of land, dwelling-houses, mines, factories and so on. He
preferred to attain the same end by rendering capital incapable
of earning interest; and this he proposed to obtain by means of
a national bank, based on the mutual confidence of all those who
are engaged in production, who would agree to exchange among
themselves their produces at cost-value, by means of labour-cheques
Everyone representing the hours of labour required to produce
every given commodity. Under such a system, which Proudhon
described as ” Mutuellisme,” all the exchanges of services would be
strictly equivalent. Besides, such a bank would be enabled to
lend money without interest, levying only something like 1 %,
or even less, for covering the cost of admin everyone
being thus enabled to borrow the money that would be required
to buy a house, nobody would agree to pay any more a yearly
rent for the use of it. A general ” social liquidation ” would
thus be rendered easy, without violent expropriation. The same
applied to mines, railways, factories and so on. ”

More Here. http://letthemconfectsweeterlies.blogspot.se/…/neo… 

http://letthemconfectsweeterlies.blogspot.se/…/mutual…

I appreciate that this is a long post The Links to my Blog (letthemconfectsweeterlies) set out more fully the points which I make. Going back to Craigs original Post and the constant Trump Bashing it seems to me that Trump is a Punch and Judy Show, and the US presidency is a pantomime and has been since Kennedy was assassinated. Trump seems to have taken longer than Obama did to capitulate to the Ruling Oligarchy, the hysterical lapse into inaccurate and childish name calling led by the always compliant corporate media is ridiculous and Angus caring as much as you appear to do a polite suggestion that some fact checking might be in order will always get much further than “Exagerating for clarity’s sake”

Erica Chenoweth (born April 22, 1980) is an American political scientist as well as a faculty member and Ph.D. program co-director at the University of Denver’s Josef Korbel School of International Studies.[1] Chenoweth is also the Director of the university’s Program on Terrorism and Insurgency Res…
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