Brexit, A Country Divided. Certainty and Being Wrong!

She didn’t need them, to be humiliated, May’s totally humiliated herself. The EU has been totally consistent for two years. They can’t do any more.
Another slanted article from the vile Murdoch press.

THETIMES.CO.UK
Theresa May was humiliated by European leaders late last night after they rejected pleas for any further concessions to get her Brexit deal through parliament. France and Ireland led a move to…

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  • Paul Davies She cocked it up with her first meeting after Cameron did one. She went in all guns blazing and pissed them off immediately
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  • Dew Diesel Ohh God so they too want to see a no deal Brexit? ‘We will not negotiate’ is such a shit negotiation position but I guess they really meant it. Nice one Macron.
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    • Ashley Drake No. A complete misreading of the situation Dewi. Two key factors at play which made this inevitable:

      1. She insisted on certain ‘red lines’ including out of the Single Market and out of the Customs Union. She wouldn’t budge on that.
      2. The Good Friday Agreement re. the UK border in Ireland.

      Once she made it clear she wasn’t prepared to contemplate staying in the Customs Union the EU had no option but to insist on upholding international law as a signatory of the GFA. There is no room to manoeuvre if the UK is demanding a complete separation.

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    • Dew Diesel Ashley Drake She went to get some reassurances that the 2 year interim agreement terms would not lead to it being a permanent one. They gave her the opposite of reassurance and actually REMOVED terms that were current reassurances (if a little vague). The whole potential success of her deal agreement took two steps back. They did that to us and I find it sad. That means a no deal Brexit which is the worst position for all. That isn’t a result. It could have been negotiated better IMHO by both sides. We are now in a worse position. She’ll never get it through now…
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    • Paul Sambrook Dew Diesel shock, horror, EU has its own agenda and wants to exploit holding the whip hand. Didn’t spot that one coming.
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    • Dew Diesel I don’t care about their agenda, muscle or posturing or anyone else’s – particularly those destructive Brexiteer right wingers views.. I’m not about the politics. I care about the effects on us as people and this doesn’t help. I also don’t care about blame as it doesn’t help me. I care about consequences. Forget the politics and think people – this is not good for any of us.
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    • Ashley Drake You need to think more expansively Dewi. You seem to be swallowing the UK media line that the nasty Europeans stitched up poor Blighty. It’s the complete opposite. They haven’t removed anything. They simply refused to get involved in internal Tory Party politics. It’s very sensible – like they’ve been throughout.
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    • Dew Diesel I don’t think that simply as I am pretty neutral. I wonder if I’m actually more objective as they seem perfect in your eyes mate and on everything?
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    • Ashley Drake Dew Diesel You’re not neutral Dewi. Your first response is normally rather anti-EU. It’s very noticeable. You did it twice just today.
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    • Dew Diesel As someone who would vote remain again I still feel I am pretty neutral as I hope to think I am free to make up my own mind about all facets and all issues rather than stick to a strong single minded position such as yours. I respect your passion and conviction but not how you present it sometimes. Other views do exist.
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    • Ashley Drake Come on Dewi. You stated above that you’re ‘not about the politics of Brexit’ when the whole thing is based on politics. You then make a statement – that the EU withdrew elements from the agreement – which is totally false. You didn’t invent that lie yourself so where did you get the ‘fake news’? You’re getting it from somewhere and giving it equal credence when it’s purposefully distorting the situation.
      There is no upside to Brexit. We must stick together and fight the bastards. It’s finally going our way. May is finished, the Tories completely split and there for the taking.
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    • Roger Lewishttps://longhairedmusings.wordpress.com/…/the-welsh…/

      In the very short news cycles we see these days a re-cap as to what happened when and who said what about it is often informative. 

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W79o9ff-HSY

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    • Ashley Drake Roger Lewis what is your point? I stand by everything, but posting personal conversations on your website is beyond weird. Please take that down. I’m not at all happy with this. You didn’t ask permission and didn’t inform me you’d done it.
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    • Roger Lewis Ashley Drake Ashley its in your facebook feed band so completely public. My Point is that the Brexit process has been on going since well before the referendum to get an idea of what the real direction of travel is looking back at previous news cycles and our re-actions /mis-interpretations of them is a useful excercise.
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    • Roger Lewis Regarding what I post on my blog I have a habit of pasting conversations into blogs I started this process when I noticed a tendency of intemperate interlocutors to delete whole threads of conversations. On weirdness Ashley? one mans FIsh is another mans Poisson who’s to judge?
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    • Ashley Drake Roger Lewis Not the point. As a friend you should ask permission or at least give me a heads-up that you’re posting our conversations. I am asking you to (a) desist from doing this & (b) take this down.
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    • Roger Lewishttps://www.facebook.com/Ashle…/posts/10212166605614921…# Ashley I have linked to this before what is it that you feel is so troubling?
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    • Ashley Drake If I can’t trust you, there’s no option but to block/unfriend you
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    • Ashley Drake I’m not having a conversation about this on someone else’s thread.
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    • Roger Lewis Please your self Ashley, I am not sure your new authoritarian persona suits you mate, but if thats your choice. You are being very condescending to Dew above,
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    • Ashley Drake Roger Lewis and you, mate have lost the plot.
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    • Roger Lewis SPare me the internet manners lectures too Ashley, you as we all are are often wrong, some of us are better at admitting it thats all.
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    • Roger Lewis et tu Brutus.
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