BREXIT WAR: The things You don’t know, and the things They do know

Great reportage from the terroir, sits on the pallet with a long and satisfying bloom that will remain with one long into the evening unit its time for a Cognac.

For Me, I was transported to lords earlier today and the poem at Lords, which is not about Lords at all. And from there to Block Block Block.

I am processing parts 2 and 3 with a juxtaposition of Howe and his cricketing analogy,

How on earth are the Chancellor and the Governor of the Bank of England, commending the Hard ECU as they strive to, to be taken as serious participants in the debate against that kind of background noise? I believe that both the Chancellor and the Governor are cricketing enthusiasts, so I hope that there is no monopoly of cricketing metaphors. It is rather like sending your opening batsmen to the crease only for them to find, the moment the first balls are bowled, that their bats have been broken before the game by the team captain.

https://genius.com/Geoffrey-howe-resignation-speech-annotated

http://speakingfrog.com/?p=1012

Margaret Thatcher: Yes, the Commission does want to increase its powers. Yes, it is a non-elected body and I do not want the Commission to increase its powers at the expense of the House, so of course we are differing. Of course…

The President of the Commission, Mr. Delors, said at a press conference the other day that he wanted the European Parliament to be the democratic body of the Community, he wanted the Commission to be the Executive and he wanted the Council of Ministers to be the Senate. No. No. No.

Or…. or…..or…..

Mrs Thathcer borrowed from De Gaulle of course and we all know now that Mrs Thatcher was right, if a little late to the party.

This I found a very good read earlier John, but not of your excellent vintage.
https://geopolitics.co/2019/02/08/protests-in-venezuela-good-protests-in-france-bad/

And a ghostly batsman plays to the bowling of a ghost,
And I look through my tears on a soundless-clapping host
As the run stealers flicker to and fro,
To and fro:

The Slog.

me11 I’m grateful to a threader at The Slog for reminding me that the media censorship between the UK and the EU at the moment is a two-way street….or barricade, depending on your viewpoint. He’s right: all élites are feeding propaganda to their electorates.

But at the same time, there only appears to be a war between peoples here. As Kate Hoey has said from the outset, the real conflict is between the various electorates on the one side, and the Alt State élites on the other.

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Here’s a quick pic of the last week or so’s headlines at La Dépeche:

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As you can see, Macrony le Wunderkind is not doing terribly well at the minute. The Gilets Jaunes have exacerbated his already parlous spending deficit to the point where it now sits at an embarrassing 35%. His Prime Minister wants to bring in repressive laws that the National…

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Protests in Venezuela good, protests in France bad!

Reblogged this excellent column. The double standards are Staggering.
https://d.tube/#!/v/tonefreqhz/grch43y0
Once as farce and then as History and then as farce again.
There is a terrible ground hog day feeling, protests against iraq war etc. and WTO protests back in 1999 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_Seattle_WTO_protests
https://longhairedmusings.wordpress.com/

Covert Geopolitics

Large street protests in both France and Venezuela. Two Presidents with low approval ratings. But only one whose legitimacy has been denied by Western ‘democracies’ and by the French president himself.

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At the End of the Day. Mrs May Junkers Mol Flanders #Brino #BrexituptheArse

https://www.bitchute.com/embed/3IwPnGvYice0/

Ah, dear Moll, now where are those oranges
[iframe src=”https://www.bitchute.com/embed/3IwPnGvYice0/” width=”100%” height=”500″] https://www.bitchute.com/video/3IwPnGvYice0/

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Ah, dear Moll, now where are those oranges
https://media.giphy.com/media/tZNxtBgst50iwhHKoJ/giphy.gif

May Inspired By Mols devices
Feints a Brino for Junkers Vices
All Agreed as Brexit was Ill-defined
Junker had spunked her from behind.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/3IwPnGvYice0/

The Slog.

mesmile2 Oh dear, another five days pour down the Brexit brain-drain as May and Juncker are “locked in deadlock” in Brussels. She’ll be back home again tomorrow – a Friday. Then we shall have a weekend. Then some form of St Valentine’s Day love-in will take place. Then the half-term recess. In this manner is Brexit wished away.

‘Locked in deadlock’ could well be interpreted as two thespians agreeing violently for the enjoyment of the audience. Part of me thinks that – but a larger slice of my now really terribly bored brain somehow knows that (as I posted last night) the Brussels strategy was always to delay, to give Britain homework to delay further, to stonewall, to find an issue that would be insoluble, and then to play Lady Bountiful by granting an extension to Article 50. The strategy of these appalling people never changes: it is…

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Deliberations in Silence, Spinoza."Better that Right Counsels be known to enemies."..

Earl Bramley-Howard created a poll.
An #admin question for members
I have always treated this as a closed members-only group – but do you think that things that you say in this Facebook members-only forum, are said ‘in public’ – in the same way that Twitter is an open platform and thus things said there, are said in public?”
No this is a closed Facebook forum for members only
Voters for this option
Yes everything on Facebook is on a public forum
Voters for this option
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Paul Warren No, it’s a closed audience, not a public place.

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Liam Kingdon I don’t think it has to be black and white. It is certainly more public than thinking it, but less so than an open twitter post, tv statement, etc. Based on facebook’s privacy record I wouldn’t rely on no one ever being able to access it.

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Earl Bramley-Howard I could delete the group

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Liam Kingdon Earl Bramley-Howard I think if you arr going to say something you should be able to stand by it. If that’s the case it doesn’t matter.

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Liam Kingdon I stand by that spelling mistake

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Earl Bramley-Howard true – but should the Green Party’s Code of Conduct which specifically states that it is in effect when things are done or said “publicly” be in force in this group – is a members-only group “publicly”?

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Alex Burnham Ah, that’s an interesting context. I’m not GPEW, therefore never bound by such rules, and by implication a member of the public… In those terms, it’s my view this is indeed a public space. 

But my view doesn’t count!

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Jane Fox Oh I see – I think its not public in that case

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Alex Burnham There also nothing stopping someone “screen grabbing” or copy/paste text elsewhere. Though I think this is a closed page so not “public”, it is in fact open for anyone to join the page. (Not sure what qualifying questions are asked now, but technically anyone could sign up, lurk and report elsewhere on content in here)

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Alex Burnham Sadly there’s little that can be done to prevent that.

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Earl Bramley-Howard the welcome message basically covers it

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Alex Burnham Yeah, but it’s not a technical control that actually prevents such behaviour, neither is it particularly enforceable save from using the ban hammer, by which time the deed is already done.

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Jean Bartrum I havent been on here since to be honest

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Alex Burnham Not seeming any posts, or just not commenting on them?

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Jean Bartrum I thought it was members only till then

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Jean Bartrum People screen grabbed off here and pasted stuff together …awful

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Andy Millward I’m not a Green Party member, nor will I ever be (nor any other party). I’m here because debate on issues with people of all persuasions is the only route to progress, and for that you need free and open fora. Ban trolls but not sensible people with a spectrum of opinions contributing to solutions.

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Liam Kingdon Andy Millward You never know! Someone might convince you

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Andy Millward Sorry Liam, but while we live in a rotten and corrupt system, parties are part of the problem, not any form of solution IMO!!

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Alex Burnham I’m the same, I don’t think I’d ever be willing to tow party line on specific issues (off hand can’t think of examples right now). I’d certainly never want to be bound by the thought that some authority could chastise me for statements I make elsewhere (about any political issue, not about what is said in here!)

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Earl Bramley-Howard and there are free and open forums on Facebook – but this is a closed members-only forum with an Admin and moderators.

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Andy Millward Which does not prevent people joining who do not necessarily agree with the premise of the group, as encapsulated in its title.

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Liam Kingdon Andy Millward Absolutely you are free to join, I don’t see that as a problem personally (although I’m not in charge of anything). I agree with what I think your sentiment is, that capitalist democracy is a fundamentally flawed system which needs to be See More

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Andy Millward No, I think the UK system closer to elected autocracy than pure democracy. Democracy is a continuous process; we are ignored between elections.

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Liam Kingdon Whatever you want to call it, it’s all corrupt, but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t attempt to engage and change things for the better in the short term and make our survival slightly more realistic down the line.

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Sally Whytehead But the members of the group are not all Green Party members, so at least a bit public….

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Earl Bramley-Howard but members on the whole “support the Green Party for a better future” – whether or not they are actual members of the UK green party – and maybe a few members even came across this group before becoming members (I sure remember a load of people saying that during the ‘surge’)

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Earl Bramley-Howard I’d suggest anything outside of the bedroom is “a bit public” – but what about those doing FB from their bedrooms lol

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Earl Bramley-Howard Should the Green Party’s Code of Conduct – which specifically states that it is in effect when things are done or said “publicly” – be in force in this group – is a members-only group “publicly”?

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Alex Burnham Earl Bramley-Howard it’s not restricted to GPEW members, so it’s “public”.

No one has signed an NDA to participate here.See More

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Richard Jenking What do people want to say in such a large group of relative strangers that they don’t want other strangers to know they have said? There should be spaces to discuss issues in complete privacy, but I don’t think that space is here somehow. Anyone who wants to share won’t really care about group rules about not sharing.

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Earl Bramley-Howard true – so should they be removed from the group?
[edit] not that I will… unless someone breaks the rules as per the pinned post and members welcome post.

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Earl Bramley-Howard of course there is “sharing” and then there is “sharing”.
Sharing a meme or an article is not quite the same as sharing something someone said – especially when taken out of context or even edited.

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Ryan Jones Some people would be less inclined to comment and engage with stuff if it was public and appeared on their friends’ newsfeeds

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Earl Bramley-Howard freedom of speech is important in politics because it is how people formulate their own opinions.

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Sunny Thompson Some of us have jobs where it’s unwise to be publicly critical of the government

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Ryan Jones Sunny Thompson yep, I don’t have my work listed on Facebook but I do have colleagues as friends

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Matthew Radford All ideas and opinions should be welcome as we move forward into a new age.There is nothing to be afraid of .I’m sure when we enter the political arena for real there will be serious problems! M

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Jane Fox Whenever I post in a group, I am always aware of whether it is going to appear on my timeline or not. If it is a closed group, I see it as communicating with members of that group only, although obviously many groups have a very large audience. Why do you ask?

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Vicky La Porte twitter is designed to speak to everyone, closed fb groups are intended to be for members only with privacy rules people are expected to respect. Sharing screen shots from FB groups is bad behaviour whilst sharing a twitter feed is encouraged….

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Francesca Heather-Hayes I used to be a GPEW member but there is something about being in a political party that I find inhibiting, I don’t want to have to stick to a party line! I do admire several Green politicians and care passionately about the environment as well as about all kinds of justice on all levels. I’ve always thought of this group as private because it’s closed and I don’t think it should have to count as public for GPEW members, as those of us who are not members ourselves, are friends of Green. The final decision rests with you though Earl Bramley-Howard and what feels right to you.

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Alex Burnham I get the feeling Earl is taking heat from elsewhere about the status of this “forum”. I don’t envy his position!

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Jane Fox I wouldn’t mind if this group was changed to public. It wouldn’t affect my likelihood to post anything

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Liam Kingdon I find the “toe the party line” argument a bit weak. Look at the two major parties, who’s toeing the party line there? More or less no one, it seems. Other than civil disobedience, protest action etc. (which can be done through other groups), getting behind a party that most aligns with your values is the most powerful way to be heard as a population. We need to accept that at this moment in time, capitalist democracy is the system that governs us. That is, until we have the numbers, mass unionisation etc. to open a can of marxism on the bourgeoisie’s asses.

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Andy Millward I think this group needs as much diversity of opinion as possible, not restricted to the here and now.

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Alex Burnham That final sentence has me reaching for a red flag!

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Liam Kingdon Andy Millward as do all groups! It’s the spice of life.

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Glyn Goodwin You should treat anything you write online as something that may be pored over by a judge, I recall reading, a long time after I started writing on fb…

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Deborah Fink Maybe keep it as it is – a closed group for Green supporters. If it becomes a Green Party group, it could be bound by Green Party restrictions, and people will use the group, as they have done before, to make complaints against each other.

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Gavin Andrews My view is that things said in this gorup to other members could breach the code of conduct, but not bring the party into disrepute as the group isn’t public.

Anyone who copied something that wasn’t intended for public consumption out of this group or the members forums and made it public could themselves be said to be bringing the party into disrepute by those actions.

Any chance you could drop me an email with info about what this is about please earl?

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Alex Burnham The fly in the ointment being folks like me that are not bound by GPEW rules at all.

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Gavin Andrews ah yes, fair point.

The longer version of what I was saying would be…

The members forums are fully private and members should be able to speak freely within the code of conduct without being concerned about bringing the party into disrepute usually, though maybe holocaust denial or advocating for pedophile rights or similar might still manage to be viewed in that light.

Specifically members only forums on facebook should be viewed in virtually the same light, though there’s always likely to be a few non members in the groups.

This group is a bit of a half way house, not members only, but also not directly viewable by or shareable with the wider public unless they join the group.

Essentially there should be a reasonable expectation that thees groups should be conducted under something along the lines of Chatham House rules to allow members / officers / representatives to speak more freely without having to necessarily be pushing the party line in the same way as they’d be expected to in a public debate.

https://www.chathamhouse.org/chatham-house-rule-faq

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Mark Gibson As a red-green and member of other groups my wish is to contribute to the group with apt posts , generate conversation /thought / chuckles and pick up stuff I don’t see elsewhere . I applaud the generally civil ( British?) nature of the site & share posts ( not comments) that I feel will create interest in other groups . Isolation = stagnation so limiting this to less than what it is would be unfortunate .

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Roger Lewis Its naive to think that there is such a thing as a closed group
Vault 7, and other public domain information that the NSA, GCHQ, NKVD and the FIve Eyes would rather be kept secret should be well understood to anyone engaged in and wishing to make an im
pact in any field of political discourse.
https://longhairedmusings.wordpress.com/…/winston…/

In Group Bias is fostered in many Social media groups it is encouraged by propagandists as left unchallenged cult-like behaviours and intolerance to differing opinions grows. This is a feature of discourse in 2019 and is, in my opinion, to be regretted.

https://longhairedmusings.wordpress.com/…/the…/cult-like

https://longhairedmusings.wordpress.com/…/climate…/

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