5G At Glastonbury, Comedy Gold for #ConquestofDough

Morbyn’s, Speech had just begun and Bunto, Rog and Darsus had enjoyed the spa in the Glamping Yurts. Bunto was complaining about the soreness in his Nether regions following his regular Sack Back and Cracking. He had taken up the smooth path having seen the Richard and Judy feature on television

Bunto shoved off discreetly he had his eye on the VIP Glory Hole where discretely one could be Anally ravished by strangers.

Meanwhile, outside of the Pyramid stage, Mot Swatson the deputy of the Popular Workers Party, who Morbyn lead; was similarly tempted away from his great leader’s oratory to guess where? The Same Glory Hole. Of course, with his politics, he believed it was greater to Give than to receive and Bunto accustomed to Silver Spooning all his life was a polar opposite.

Hence we are confronted with two Machiavellian political enemies Giving and receiving in the best traditions of philanthropic fluid exchange and charity, Anonymously.

“Give me the Radish, Give be the Bread Dildo give me more Cock, Harder Harder” cried Bunto as Swatson braced for another thrust into the more Eloquent end of the Tory politician.

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 On 4/24/2019 at 3:55 PM, risteard said:

I’m not getting confused.

I know there are bans on companies associated. But I read that a minister Brussels was halting its 5G plans because of health reasons. That is all.

I decided to do a Blog post about the Information and discourse in this discussion. Looking at The Links reports , claims and counter claims etc.

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 On 4/24/2019 at 4:21 PM, Matt – Ed Banger Records said:

The only article I could find to back this up was from the Brussels Times (the other websites were an array of conspiracy and anti-vaxxer-esge websites) the Brussels Times article (which, I assume, forms the basis of subsequent articles) states that the radiation standards in Belgium are very stringent, and they have had issues with 4G in the past as a result of it, but they’re the only country that a quick google search shows as being in opposition to 5G testing.

 On 4/26/2019 at 10:54 AM, stuie said:

Thanks for popping by.   Don’t worry, we’ll wear our tin foil hats.

 On 4/26/2019 at 11:06 AM, hfuhruhurr said:

Won’t 5G enable site-wide wifi?

As for radiation, the thing everyone forgets when complaining about masts is that they put a responsive radio next to their heads. The closer the mast, the less radiation for your head – it being an inverse square law. So, ideally we should have small cells everywhere to reduce radiation next to our heads.

 On 4/26/2019 at 11:18 AM, drunk pumpkin said:

 Yesterday I messaged the festival throught the contact process on the 5G issue. Waiting for a response which i’ll post.

I’m sure that with the festivals ethos and links to greenpeace ect that if we do have 5G it will be very safe and not at all dangerous!

 On 4/26/2019 at 11:32 AM, incident said:

In all seriousness – why bother?

Multiple governments, industry bodies, scientists, etc across the world are saying that using these frequencies is safe. Granted, there’s mostly vested interests there but it’s still be best information we have unless you want to rely on nutjobs like the one above with at best anecdotal evidence and usually not even that. Right now I don’t think the mobile telephony research division of GFL has the level of resource required to conduct their own detailed investigation, and so they’re going to go on the evidence available. Of course the response is going to be that it’s safe. And the person responding to you is going to mentally append “you idiot” when they write it.

We get this bullshit every time a new set of frequencies get introduced, dating back pretty much as long as mobile phones have existed, and so far none of the scare stories have been proven correct.

 On 4/26/2019 at 12:10 PM, stuie said:
 On 4/26/2019 at 12:12 PM, The Nal said:

“mess up our bodies and the energy of the land”

So scientific!

Read the comments below the petition. Comedy gold.

Mobile phones hurt my head when I use them & im worried this will be intensified with 5G!! 
 On 4/26/2019 at 12:14 PM, stuartbert two hats said:

Hmm.

 On 4/26/2019 at 12:18 PM, bombfrog said:

Oh just fuck off.

 On 4/26/2019 at 12:19 PM, The Nal said:

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 On 4/26/2019 at 1:03 PM, bombfrog said:

This comment is fucking stupid.

The people who don’t understand radiation are the same people who complain about GMOs and don’t immunise their children. They probably believe they can be healed by crystals and that cannabis cures cancer or something.

Fuck ’em.

 On 4/26/2019 at 6:13 PM, glasto-worker said:

I am waiting for 10G !!!!

I bought my first 4G Smartphone late in 2016 so was looking forward to seeing how it worked at Glasto 2017 but I ended up  stuck in Hospital for more than a Month {June and July 2017} for a artery bypass so never got to try it out and just to really wind me up I ended up in a Intensive care unit during Glastonbury week and in that Unit No Television was allowed so I missed the whole thing – the only possible time I could see Glasto live on TV and I missed it completely and they had a phone blocking system in use within that unit so could not even view it using my Smartphone !!!! – I did try the phone out at Womad but was forced to use the Punter wi-fi which used to log me out after a few minutes so this year will be the first year I can try out the WBC Crew wi-fi which is only meant for Production but I am sure I can persuade them to give me the password.

all this 5G test sounds a none starter unless they are going to loan out 5G phones !!!

Many years ago I and 2,000 other professional testers were the first to try out BT’s Broadband in the London area – 512 kbit/s {1/2 a MB} may sound slow now but every other UK Household was using dial up with a best possible speed of 56 kbit/s if they were very lucky and there was not the time lag you get now with UK Servers because these days Everyman and his dog has access to high speed broadband.

they should build on their 2G, 3G, 4G network and worry about 5G when a good amount of people can afford to buy the 5G phones and then that would really test the 5G Network.

 On 4/26/2019 at 10:55 PM, John the Moth said:

Oh gawd!

Don’t get ‘em started 🤦‍♂️

 On 4/29/2019 at 11:57 AM, eFestivals said:

it’s not the 5g signals you want to worry about, it’s the chemtrails.

:P

 On 4/29/2019 at 2:03 PM, Fork_UK said:

That must be the 3rd or 4th separate petition I’ve seen for this now.  They need to organise!  They’re spreading their signatures too thin!

Seriously, though, is everyone going absolutely fucking mental?  Anti-vaxxers, chemtrailers, flat-earthers and 5G-laser-beamers all actually exist in this world.  Where the hell did they all crawl out from over the last 10 years or so?

Maybe there really are chemtrails and these people are the result! 😂

 On 4/29/2019 at 2:11 PM, tumbles said:

Social Media.   It has so much to answer for.

 On 4/29/2019 at 2:21 PM, uscore said:

you can add believe-in-faked-moon-landing and people-who-think-Brexit-is-a-good-idea to the list too.

 On 5/1/2019 at 4:54 PM, drunk pumpkin said:

I promised to share my reply from Glastonbury Festival (i do love that they get back to you!)

Here you go.

Thank you for sharing with us your concerns about the use of 5G at the Festival.

We take all feedback about the technology that we use extremely seriously, and have raised your concerns with EE, who as technology partner to the Festival, have been providing an onsite mobile network at the Festival for over 20 years.

EE would like to assure everyone attending the Festival that 5G is safe, and that the World Health Organisation and Public Health England have both given 5G the green light as no health risks have been found from radio signals used for mobile communications in this way. To give that some context for comparison, EE point out that the World Health Organisation does warn of the dangers of processed red meat (e.g. bacon and sausages), but not about 5G.

Research into the safety of radio signals has been conducted for more than 50 years; and EE insist that the strong consensus of the public health agencies around the world (such as the WHO), is that no health risks have been established from exposure to the low-level radio signals used for Wi-Fi and mobile communications.

In line with advice from WHO, the UK Government has adopted the exposure limits developed by International Commission on Non-Ionizing Radiation Protection (ICNIRP) who monitor all new research.  All UK mobile network providers build their networks within these guidelines. While EE confirm that a small increase in overall exposure to radio waves is possible when 5G is added to existing networks, the overall exposure is expected to remain low and well within the ICNIRP guidelines. You can read the information from Government on this matter here: https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/233707?reveal_response=yes.

If you have read or heard anything about high frequency ‘mmWave’ spectrum and research into this from the US, please be assured that this isn’t the technology that EE will be using at Glastonbury (or anywhere in the UK) when they launch 5G. The network they are installing this year (which includes 5G in a few areas of the site) meets all of the same safety requirements as the 2G, 3G and 4G network which they’ve used previously, and the things that have been written about ‘weaponised frequencies’ and needing a mobile site for every 20 houses aren’t true, and they have nothing to do with the technology that will be used at Glastonbury.

Best wishes

Glastonbury Festival

 On 5/21/2019 at 12:54 PM, 5co77ie said:

worth a watch, the woman who brought about the banning of smoking on aircraft describes it as “as safe as asbestos” – I think Glastonbury should have reassured themselves on 5G safety first, and not gone with the basis of one WHO study sponsored by the multi billion dollar Telecoms conglomerates.

Currently there’s an appeal to the European Union (another reason to vote Farage), with more than 180 scientists and doctors from 36 countries warning about the dangers of 5G, which will lead to a massive increase in involuntary exposure to electromagnetic radiation. The scientists urge the EU to follow Resolution 1815 of the Council of Europe, asking for an independent task force to reassess the health effects BEFORE the roll out across Europe.

 On 5/21/2019 at 1:34 PM, eFestivals said:

that’s a little misleading. There’s shit loads of research into the effects of radio waves on the body, and 5g is just radio waves.

 On 5/21/2019 at 2:26 PM, hfuhruhurr said:

OK – it’s been a while since I was designing the electronics for phones, but here goes…

You phone as per the video above is a transmitter, and being an inverse square law, the closer you hold it to yourself, the more exposure. (a daft thing in the video pointing out that, yes, the as-tested distance is greater than you holding it – duh). Now, you might therefore assume that having antennas/base stations close would be terrible too – but that’s not quite right. Because your phone measures the power level of the signal and transmits accordingly – i.e. if we have a closer antenna, you phone will send out a lower power signal. And, it being inverse square, it’s the phone’s transmission and not the antenna that is the issue. You’d need to sit on the base station in order to fry your bits. Ideally you want loads of base stations to massively reduce the transmit power of you phone – not the other way around.

Which then comes onto harm – radio waves need to resonate the molecules. And water is at about 2.4GHz – which is what your home wifi is like. Ever noticed your wifi signal die if your microwave is on? 5G is working outside those frequencies. So, if 2.4GHz, a more dangerous frequency hasn’t boiled your brains, then 5G won’t.

 On 5/21/2019 at 2:49 PM, eFestivals said:

remember all of those “mobile phone gave me brain cancer” stories years ago? We don’t seem to get them now.

However, during the time of the mobile phone, the (proportional) number of brain cancers has risen noticeably in the UK.

Is that caused by mobiles? No one knows. There’s loads of other factors that could account for the increase.

I’ve no idea what the truth is for 5G phones, or any other phone. I’d be happy to see more research.

 On 5/21/2019 at 4:14 PM, eFestivals said:

Only partially correct (I just googled it)

terrestrial TV: 54 to 806 MHz
5G:  600 MHz to 6 GHz, and 24–86 GHz

It’s worth noting that the worries about 5G frequencies is for the 24–86 GHz range – which is the part that doesn’t dip into the terrestrial TV range.

 On 5/21/2019 at 4:21 PM, eFestivals said:

I lean towards the scare tactic thing, if for no other reason than all of the wrong/hyped stuff I’ve seen just googling on it today.

And it sounds like you know what’s what here, but…

Googling earlier I did find references to radio waves being able to increase incidences of cancer in mice (rats?), but only a small increase, and when using very powerful signals (far more than 5G).

And while there’s been man-made radio waves for 150 years, it’s only fairly recently that people have been spending significant time with transmitters next to their head.

So from those I’ve got a fairly open mind to there possibly being an effect, tho it seems likely that the number of people affected is very small if there is an effect.

 On 5/24/2019 at 1:04 AM, Jmei said:
 On 5/24/2019 at 1:28 AM, MEGABOWL said:

Not even a please. Apparently 4G has rotted some people’s basic manners synapses. I dread to think what 5G will do!!1!

 On 5/24/2019 at 2:32 AM, MetaKate said:

Good news. I was just at a tech conference and I asked the guy promoting 5G why everyone was worried about it, and he said “I didn’t realize they were”

We can all sleep soundly now.

 On 5/24/2019 at 2:52 AM, John the Moth said:

Is that the Pangea installation?

 On 5/24/2019 at 11:17 AM, DareToDibble said:

True. I don’t think you need any connection to play Snake.

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 On 6/5/2019 at 8:14 PM, Sawdusty Surfer said:

I’ve heard that 5g is going to be far from site wide, but anyway, info for anyone interested. BTW, I don’t have strong views either way and don’t know enough about it all to be able to make any useful comments yet :)

GLASTONBURY FESTIVAL 5G UPDATE!

Following a meeting between Glastonbury Festival Ltd and Pilton parish council last night, Glastonbury Festival Ltd operations manager MARK CANN (pictured below) has been held responsible for ensuring the public requests listed below are met.

If you are attending Glastonbury Festival this year or have 5G concerns I recommend emailing mark.cann@glastonburyfestivals.co.uk and ask that you be sent the requested information.

1. That the exact technical specifications of the 5G masts being erected at Glastonbury festival be made publicly available in advance of the festival commencement date.

2. That the safety reports and risk assessments provided to you by EE or other professional body be made available for public scrutiny in their entirety in advance of the festival commencement date.

3. That a meeting be scheduled between Glastonbury Festival Ltd and concerned parties in advance of the festival commencement date in order that concerns regarding the 5G technology being deployed are openly and transparently dealt with.

4. That maps be produced in advance of the festival commencement date indicating the exact location of the 5G masts so that concerned parties, in particular pregnant women and parents, are able to take the necessary precautions and avoid these locations.

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 On 6/25/2019 at 1:38 PM, Derek Reynolds said:

People need to realise that wireless technology is advancing fast, and while 5G may give us faster, better communications through its millimetre wave form, it comes at a price. At the heart of 5G are transmitters that are of the same family as microwave ovens. The transmitting masts may seem benign, and the manufacturers will state they are, but this is the same technology behind Active Denial systems – Google them – it’s classified as weaponry.

Gateshead Council were recently in court over their placing 5G transmitters atop lamp-posts after a claim was made by Mark Steele over the alleged use of 5G. This is a controversial subject, but as with smoke, there is often a fire.

http://freewestmedia.com/2018/05/25/5g-technology-responsible-for-health-issues-in-uk-town-says-citizen/

https://www.vigiliae.org/mark-steele-exposed/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJVY9Q7q3Ks

To evaluate the dangers of smart phones/tablets and meters and their detrimental effects on the human body with special importance to children, and even the unborn in the womb, there is information here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwyDCHf5iCY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0NEaPTu9oI

5G map of the UK:

https://5g.co.uk/news/ee-first-5g-network-six-cities/4912/

And whilst the presenter might have chosen a better piece of ‘music’ as an intro; and the messenger could present better!, listen to the message!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2110&v=FK8v1P-Psog

 On 6/25/2019 at 2:01 PM, tumbles said:

Oh fuck off and learn about non ionising radiation you absolute whopper

All phones have been working around 2.4ghz – the microwave band – for about the past 20 years

 On 6/25/2019 at 1:57 PM, Gacheezbo said:

stop scaremongering you clueless tw*t

 On 6/25/2019 at 2:48 PM, hfuhruhurr said:

There are few things that upset me, but this kind of utter bollocks is why we have kids not being vaccinated, the climate crisis, fucking Trump and effing brexit. Christ on a bike – do some proper research.

 On 6/25/2019 at 2:54 PM, Hugh Jass said:

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 On 6/25/2019 at 4:39 PM, Derek Reynolds said:

Glad you’re all so positive – I’ll pass on the hat though.

 On 6/25/2019 at 5:56 PM, Derek Reynolds said:
 On 7/2/2019 at 1:06 PM, Derek Reynolds said:

Glad the weather held out. For the nay-sayers and name callers:

https://theholisticworks.com/2019/06/25/glastonbury-festival-goers-are-walking-into-an-emf-minefield/

https://theholisticworks.com/2019/06/29/mass-microwaving-of-hundreds-of-thousands-at-glastonbury-festival-heres-the-video-evidence/

No, this is not scare mongering, it’s drawing your attention to something that whilst you cannot see, is nonetheless there affecting not just your body, but that of animals and plants too. But then who gives a shit? Maybe you will one day.

 On 7/2/2019 at 1:13 PM, Derek Reynolds said:

You sound like a very gullible young man Michael. Do some research.

 On 7/2/2019 at 1:14 PM, eFestivals said:

and your proof is….? None at all.

Yes, waveforms can affect cells, but not at the low-power and distance that 5G uses.

Get back to us if/when you have some actual relevant research to back up your currently-false claim.

 On 7/2/2019 at 1:26 PM, paulshane said:

You are a temendous idiot.

 On 7/2/2019 at 1:31 PM, EasyUserName said:

I had a peak at those two links – they are on the surface, news articles.  It would be the same as providing a Daily Mail link, as evidence of the levels or rubbish left behind at the end of the festival.

 On 7/2/2019 at 2:06 PM, EasyUserName said:

I had a quick look at this one, as something with the website title “Researchgate” sounded very “sciency”.

It is a link to a published paper, reviewing a stack of other studies about low-intensity radiofrequency radiation, concluding that the studies reviewed on balance support the position that it is “bad” (being simplistic).  It claims to be “peer reviewed” (also a sign to take things seriously).  A quick internet search shows this paper published everywhere.

A quick internet search also shows though potential holes in the paper.  According to the link below, there is no methodology on articles selected (and the suggestion that the ones selected reflect a positive bias on the ones selected), and they question how the article is “peer reviewed” (note the website link you included doesn’t make that clear either).

https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/28557/are-the-methods-and-conclusions-of-the-study-clear-connection-between-wireless

The above link reviewed the paper in your link, although from another website.  They make a good point that the original website they reviewed the article on will publish pretty much anything, and give a few examples.  I had a look at the researchgate.net website, and they seem to have the same policy.  I especially liked the paper on “dirty electricity” and how that is the reason why people are fat and have diabetes (not their diet and exercise or anything).

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/239940746_Evidence_that_dirty_electricity_is_causing_the_worldwide_epidemics_of_obesity_and_diabetes

I’m not questioning your right to a opinion, but you’ve made a proposition – that “5G is bad”.  It’s really up to you to show that, not to cut & paste a bunch of links from a blog somewhere (which is what your post looks like), where the first one I look at is at best, described as a bit “shady”.

 On 7/2/2019 at 2:31 PM, frostypaw said:

I’ve done some research and the earth looks flat from here and there are some guys online saying it is – they even have a youtube

 On 7/2/2019 at 3:01 PM, Derek Reynolds said:

Look up the meaning of touché.

I think you mean – tremendous?

There’s an entire society devoted to it. Don’t buy it myself.

Sawdustysurfer might be interested in this (or not, whatever).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvQ3Eb2j2jw

Adios from the tremendous touché. And remember: don’t learn a little – learn a lot.

 On 7/2/2019 at 3:06 PM, paulshane said:

must be all the brain cancer I got from the 5G this weekend.

 On 7/2/2019 at 3:51 PM, bluedaisy said:

For your information (make of it what you will)…

I’m taking part in large global, long term study which is looking into the effects of mobile phone radiation. This study is funded by various governments including the UK Department of Health, and in collaboration with various universities and the World Health Organization.

“COSMOS (“Cohort Study of Mobile Phone Use and Health”) is an international cohort study investigating the possible health effects of long-term use of mobile phones and other wireless technologies.”

“There is extensive public and scientific interest in the possibility that RF-EMF from mobile phones might increase the risk of disease, results until now are inconclusive.”

“Many studies have concluded that there is no convincing evidence to date that mobile phones are harmful to health. However, the widespread use of mobile phones is a relatively recent phenomenon and it is possible that adverse health effects could emerge after years of prolonged use. Furthermore, it has been difficult to assess exactly how much people used their phones (the COSMOS study is using improved method to assess mobile phone usage of participants).”

http://www.thecosmosproject.org/

 On 7/2/2019 at 8:17 PM, Derek Reynolds said:

As soon as you mention government funded, you are opening yourself up to what governments want you to know, and that’s not necessarily what you NEED to know.

The UK Department of Health; The World Health Organisation, and COSMOS, are all part of the disinformation network intended to keep you dumbed down. Dr. Davis talks for one hour to an audience in Australia just over four years ago, and shows clinical images that present evidence of 3G & 4G mobile phones which have caused medical conditions.

Dr. Davis is a professor of medicine, and an internationally recognised expert on radiation from mobile phones and other wireless devices:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwyDCHf5iCY

5G is a whole different beast to either of the previous. The wave form is directional through beam formation – columnated pulses – like a laser, unlike 3 &4G which is spread wide with a limited range. The basics can be watched here in a few minutes from Radwin5000 sales vid. NOTE: Before you watch this, mute the sound, and see if you can’t see something the voice-over, and background nicey-nicey music covers up.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=171&v=Sy41rlOzLIs

Some more info: http://www.theeventchronicle.com/uncategorized/can-new-5g-technology-smart-meters-used-weapons/

Smart meters. No so smart if you value privacy.

 On 7/2/2019 at 9:25 PM, bluedaisy said:

The point being that government has enough concerns to fund an expensive long term study, despite people saying it’s completely safe. It’s worth bearing in mind that there are hundreds of health concerns they are researching not just cancers. Due to my involvement in the study I remain cautious at this point ( especially cautious towards 5g as even 3g has yet to be proven safe).

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  On 7/3/2019 at 12:57 AM, incident said:

This is the one statement on this thread where you can truly be seen as authoritative.

  On 7/3/2019 at 3:09 AM, frostypaw said:

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/a-disconnect-between-cell-phone-fears-and-science/

That Devra Davis?

That you think 5G works like a laser is just spectacular. Mate this is why you were told it was worth paying attention in school – this is basic basic stuff, it should be ringing HUGE alarm bells as much as if someone told you it was all a lie and you could run your car cheaply on weak gravy or vegemite at a slight BHP loss. The only difference is you know a shade more about cars

  On 7/3/2019 at 7:40 AM, Derek Reynolds said:

Cell phones – school? How old do you think I am? The pocket calculator hadn’t been invented, and ball point pens were not allowed! But that never stopped me learning, and one thing that stands out is: it’s a waste of time teaching pigs to sing.

I haven’t had time to check out all the links you supplied as yet, but I did look at the cellular phones page of the American Cancer Society. I will be accused of ‘cherry picking’, but this statement stood out:

“It is not clear at this time that RF waves from cell phones cause harmful health effects in people, but studies now being done should give a clearer picture of the possible health effects in the future. Until then, there are several things that people who are concerned about RF waves can do to limit their exposure. ”

Further from WHO ref:

” While an increased risk of brain tumors is not established, the increasing use of mobile phones and the lack of data for mobile phone use over time periods longer than 15 years warrant further research of mobile phone use and brain cancer risk. In particular, with the recent popularity of mobile phone use among younger people, and therefore a potentially longer lifetime of exposure, WHO has promoted further research on this group. Several studies investigating potential health effects in children and adolescents are underway. ”

And from the EC:

” Conclusion The current database is inadequate for the purposes of the assessment of possible risksdue to environmental exposure to RF, IF and ELF. ”

Some of these statements are 17yrs old, others 9. Lots happen in nine years. The connect between a laser and 5G EMF beams is valid – they seek, and pin-point their targets. There is clearly a lack of long term effects and data therefrom.

Someone accused me of being a Troll. That is their opinion, but having read elsewhere of the 5G coverage at Glastonbury I thought it might be received with some sort of interest. Instead I got a volley of verbal abuse and outright denial on all counts. Hence pigs and singing.

Have a healthy life. (At least, try).

  On 7/3/2019 at 8:15 AM, eFestivals said:

you don’t understand the first thing about research, very obviously. :rolleyes:

  On 7/3/2019 at 8:22 AM, Derek Reynolds said:

So this is what – guesswork?

From one of the links supplied by Frostypaw.

The American Society for Reproductive Medicine

Result(s)

The comparisons of mean sperm count, motility, viability, and normal morphology among four different cell phone user groups were statistically significant. Mean sperm motility, viability, and normal morphology were significantly different in cell phone user groups within two sperm count groups. The laboratory values of the above four sperm parameters decreased in all four cell phone user groups as the duration of daily exposure to cell phones increased.

Conclusion(s)

Use of cell phones decrease the semen quality in men by decreasing the sperm count, motility, viability, and normal morphology. The decrease in sperm parameters was dependent on the duration of daily exposure to cell phones and independent of the initial semen quality.

  On 7/3/2019 at 8:57 AM, Roger G Lewis said:

#onlyTwoGenders #ConquestofDough

  On 7/3/2019 at 9:11 AM, eFestivals said:

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  On 7/3/2019 at 9:35 AM, tumbles said:

Just lock this topic or bin these goons off, they’re just going to be tiresome before long.

  On 7/3/2019 at 9:38 AM, paulshane said:

agreed

  On 7/3/2019 at 11:11 AM, Roger G Lewis said:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/health-fitness/body/wifi-internet-family-dangerous-health/

Telegraph from 2015.

Public Health is a serious question and EMF radiation and health issues is nothing new. Why would 5G be less harmful? if it is great , but experts in the field say the short wavelengths involved are more damaging.
That Glastonbury Festival would associate with Extinction rebellion #WrongKindofGreen and corporatism of the whole event suggests that the degree of propaganda infecting what used to be popular culture is deeply troubling.

http://www.wrongkindofgreen.org/the-group-of-ten/

Extinction Rebellion Globalists linked to 5G Rollout

Gail Marie Bradbrook : COMPASSIONATE REVOLUTION

Links to BROADBAND STAKEHOLDERS GROUP

The Broadband Stakeholder Group has published a report on ‘Lowering barriers to 5G deployment‘. It outlines the challenges and solutions to deploying new mobile infrastructure necessary to meet the UK Government’s ambition to be a 5G leader.

The report – ‘Lowering barriers to 5G deployment’ – is the outcome of a study by Analysys Mason researching barriers to 5G deployment from both industry and local authority perspectives in the UK, identifying key challenges faced during the deployment process. The report aims to assist the UK Government in delivering its ambition to be a 5G leader by identifying and proposing solutions to current and potential barriers to network deployment.

Legal barriers, deployment issues and challenges with stakeholder engagement all have the potential to delay the rollout of 5G. Taken together and against a general background of uncertainty regarding the business case for denser 5G networks, these could also ultimately limit the deployment of 5G infrastructure.

OTHER LINKS INCLUDE : Dept OF Culture, SKY, Talk Talk VODAPHONE , WIRELSS INFRASTRUCTURE GROUP

https://steemit.com/news/@francesleader/from-occupy-to-extinction-rebellion-exposing-the-common-purpose

  On 7/3/2019 at 11:15 AM, Roger G Lewis said:
  On 7/3/2019 at 11:18 AM, frostypaw said:

But they don’t.

Just the ranting drunken incoherent loons that would have no platform other than a park bench if they didn’t have the internet to pretend to be proper.

Why can’t you tell the difference? Do you like to feel special and as if you’ve been clever enough to resolve a great secret?

Someone had spent a lot of money on shiny anti-5G flyers to try and make it look serious, still just full of scare nonsense and it cost me some festival time throwing them in the recycling.

  On 7/3/2019 at 11:22 AM, Roger G Lewis said:

Dr Graham Downing

Dr Graham Downing

Dr. Graham S. Downing is a consultant in Neuro-musculoskeletal & Functional Medicine. He graduated from King’s College London University where he trained in the clinical sciences and molecular biology and attended the Randall Institute as a research student whilst still under the Directorship of Dr Wilkins, Nobel prize winner for his co-discovery of DNA; and European Institute of Health and Medical Sciences, Surrey University where he received an MSc with a specialist area of research in psychoneuroimmunology in the clinical practice.

Dr. Downing was invited to read for a Ph.D at Oxford’s leading research institute, Sir William Dunn School of Pathology but decided on a clinical career instead. He is one of only two doctors in Europe that have received training at consultant level in diagnosis and treatment of internal medical disorders at the Texas Chiropractic College, USA; and advanced Wilderness medicine.

His specialist fields are neuro-musculoskeletal & functional Medicine (with a focus on fertility, endocrinology, infection and gastro-intestinal problems). He has produced science and clinical reports since February 1993 and medico-legal reports since April 2010 as an expert witness.

He is currently President and Director of Clinical Education for a European organisation that sets standards of clinical proficiency and trains healthcare providers, including medical doctors, chiropractors, osteopaths, physiotherapists, herbalists, homoeopaths, nutritionist, functional medicine doctors and other health disciplines to consultant level.

  On 7/3/2019 at 11:30 AM, darkcamel said:

Don’t be a tool dismissing people whose opinion you disagree with as loons. Government ministers, scientists and researchers have all expressed serious concerns about 5G and the lack of testing of the biological effects of it on the population.

Brussel government, and Geneva and Vaud Switzerland have ALL halted 5G rollout over health concerns after power output from 5g exceeded their safety thresholds. Government ministers have said they would not let their citizens be used as guinea pigs.

Celine Fremault, Minister of the Government of the Brussels-Capital Region Responsible For Housing, Quality Of Life, Environment And Energy released the statement in an interview with L’Echo:“I cannot welcome such technology if the radiation standards, which must protect the citizen, are not respected, 5G or not. The people of Brussels are not guinea pigs whose health I can sell at a profit. We cannot leave anything to doubt.”
See https://www.worldhealth.net/news/brussels-first-major-city-halt-5g-due-health-effects/
Dutch MPs have also called for a halt to 5G until the WHO has done more testing..GroenLinks is urging the Lower House in the Dutch parliament for an independent investigation by the Health Council into 5G radiation. Laura Bromet, member of parliament: “We still don’t know about the dangers to public health. Little research has been done into the effects of 5G. We need to take people’s concerns seriously and investigate this. ”

Dismiss them all as conspiracy theorists if you wish, but I would argue you are being extremely foolhardy. France has banned all WIFI from nursery schools over health concerns, as radiation penetrates childs skulls more easily. Dismiss them as conspiracy theorists if you will.

There is no scientific consensus as to whether 5G is safe or not. It has NOT been proven beyond any doubt to be safe. Government funded research often gives the answers their customers want. Many non industry funded research papers link wireless radiation to biological effects on cells. See https://ehtrust.org/science/research-on-wireless-health-effects/ Thats why hundreds of scientists have called on the EU to halt 5G rollout until more H&S testing has been done into the biological effects.Industry, unsuprisingly does not recognise wireless radiation can cause biological damage.. imagine the law suits! Major insurers will not insurer wireless device manufacturers against being sued for health problems. Interesting… Many scientific peer reviewed reports have indicated biological and DNA changes as a result of wireless, NON ionising radiation. See the 5G Appeal site, and the AUVA report https://www.jrseco.com/major-austrian-insurer-auva-finds-effects-of-cell-phones-on-dna-eeg-and-human-proteins/ or the EU Reflex study https://www.jrseco.com/eu-reflex-study-shows-dna-damage-caused-by-radiation-from-wireless-devices-and-mobile-phones/

  On 7/3/2019 at 11:33 AM, EasyUserName said:

What is the point in this post, sorry?  It doesn’t seem to say anything other than a short bio.

  On 7/3/2019 at 11:38 AM, eFestivals said:

i think facebook is frying more people’s brains than mobiles are. 😀

/goes off to buy more shares in Alcan :P

  On 7/3/2019 at 11:41 AM, Roger G Lewis said:

It is the background to a video of a talk given by Dr Graham Downing,
I find Downing a compelling expert lecturer. I do not agree with all of his conclusions for instance I am a programmer in the field of the internet of things? I acknowledge that IOT can be used for security state ends but can also be used for the Circular Economy and Distrbuted direct democracy aims ( my own field of endeavor, particularly on WEB 3 IPFS.)
I am not making any truth claims regarding 5 g or even about the bona-fides of Glastonbury as a much loved institution of the Liberal elites.
I do though think Dr Graham Downing has good intentions and some expertise on these matters as such I pay close attention to what he says, even in my own field IOT , where I have points of disagreement with him.

  On 7/3/2019 at 11:48 AM, Roger G Lewis said:

Hi Early User Name, I do not know if Dr Downing has published papers in this field he has I believe done so in his own clinical fields.
My own interests are limited as is my time to Web 3 development on IPFS and to Monetary reform research, ( Crypto Currencies, Web 3, And so forth , tend to come as a package) .
I live in Sweden , and here there is a much more empirical approach to public health and much of what has got under the low bar in the UK and USA even the EU does not get past the Swedish apparatus , Swedes love statistics and empirical data, it can be a real pain in the Ass but on questions of public house its difficult to fault it, even for an old Hippy Anarchist such as yours truly.

  On 7/3/2019 at 11:53 AM, frostypaw said:

I’m not.

I’m dismissing people who’ve based their opinion on absolute nonsense and who have demonstrated no understanding of the scientific method or how to do research as loons, and I’m providing you with extensive text that explains why as quoted above.

Attempting to pretend I’m doing something else entirely also shows how genuine and trustworthy this argument is.

Eg. You state “Dr Graham Downing” and his qualifications as if we should therefore listen to him.

He’s this same Dr Graham Downing who’s a lunatic anti-vax nut claiming it causes autism. Very much a quack

You’re trying to argue that power steering will give us cancer after claiming cars run on gravy and seatbelts are made from unicorn tears harvested by torturing them because this guy with a Dr before his name said so on his Podcast “Dr to the Stars”

And you’ve been told. But you’re carrying on – so why should we trust you?

  On 7/3/2019 at 12:09 PM, Roger G Lewis said:

A general comment As in previous years, a number of studies had to be excluded from the evaluation due to poor quality and missing information. Most of the excluded studies provided no, or incomplete, dosimetric information, or failed to include sham-exposed controls. Without dosimetric information, any effects cannot be related to an exposure level and without a sham-exposed group it is not possible to attribute any effects to the actual EMF exposure. It is very unfortunate that investigators are not adhering to international standards concerning the reporting of their studies, and that journals often do not have an adequate peer-review system that corrects such omissions. There can also be a risk that doing bad quality studies and making people afraid may have some impact on their health and well-being and is another reason why only studies with high quality protocols should be funded, performed and published. Articles not taken into account in this report, due to insufficient scientific quality, are listed in an Appendix together with the reasons for their dismissal.

The Latest report
https://www.stralsakerhetsmyndigheten.se/contentassets/f34de8333acd4ac2b22a9b072d9b33f9/201809-recent-research-on-emf-and-health-risk

Web site of Swedish Metrological Society-

https://www.stralsakerhetsmyndigheten.se/en/publications/reports/radiation-protection/2018/201809/?_t_id=1B2M2Y8AsgTpgAmY7PhCfg%3d%3d&_t_q=EMF&_t_tags=language%3astandard%2csiteid%3a2b6b237a-3058-4c02-b612-7778e2139d30&_t_ip=78.69.176.146&_t_hit.id=SSM_Models_Pages_PublicationPage/_cbbe65da-3a02-4b03-8529-815da3d2b540_en&_t_hit.pos=1

For funny story on Metrology see Sheldrakes talk on the science delusion. it starts at 10 miutes its about Big G and not 5g, just to be clear.

4.1.4. Mitochondrial DNA Several parameters related to the stability of mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) were examined by Sun et al. (2017) in human-derived promyelocytic leukaemia (HL-60) cells. Cultures were exposed for 4 53 h/day for five consecutive days to 900 MHz, continuous wave, at 120 µW/cm2 power intensity corresponding to a calculated average SAR of 2.5 × 10−4 W/kg. Following the exposure, cells were collected after 30 min, 4 h or 24 h. The damage to mtDNA mediated through reactive oxygen species (ROS) formation, the effect on 8-hydroxy-2-dexoyguanosine (8-OHdG, a biomarker for oxidative damage), and on the mitochondrial synthesis of adenosine triphosphate (ATP) were measured. The results of three independent experiments indicated that ROS formation was increased at 30 min and 4 h (p < 0.05), but not at 24 h after RF exposure, while 8-OHdG levels were decreased for all the exposure durations investigated (p<0.05). Moreover, the mitochondrial transcription factor A, mtDNA polymerase gamma, mtDNA transcripts and mtDNA copy number was significantly decreased in exposed cells compared to sham exposed ones (p<0.05). In addition, a significant decrease in ATP levels was also detected in RF-exposed cells (p<0.05). Treatment of the cells with melatonin, a wellknown free radical scavenger, for 4 h before RF exposure was able to attenuate mitochondrial dysfunction as well as mtDNA damage. Overall, the results from this investigation suggest that RF exposure affects ROS production leading to mitochondrial dysfunctions. The results refer to a cancer cell line. It should be interesting to confirm these findings on healthy cells under several exposure conditions in terms of frequency, modulation and SAR values.

What has been observed? Overall, the epidemiological data show some weak indications for an association between prolonged and intensive use of a mobile phone and an increased incidence of gliomas (brain tumours) and acoustic neuromas (tumours on the acoustic nerve). In some cases these findings lack biological plausibility. Some studies showed for instance increased risks after a short period of use, which is not compatible with the long period of development of the tumours in question. In other studies an increase in the number of tumours was not observed with the highest exposure level, but only with lower ones. This is also in contrast to expectations. Furthermore, data on the incidence of the relevant tumours from the Netherlands and other countries worldwide do not provide support for a causal relationship. For meningiomas, pituitary tumours and parotid gland tumours, no indications for an association with mobile phone use have been observed. 85 The animal studies do not provide evidence for induction of tumours by exposure to radiofrequency electromagnetic fields. Such exposure may have a promoting effect on the development of tumours, but the indications for this are weak and have been observed in only one, very specific, animal model.

Is there reason to limit exposure? From the conclusions formulated above it follows that the value of any measures to reduce exposure is unclear. Nevertheless, the Committee would like to repeat its previous suggestion: apply the ALARA principle. This means that exposures should be As Low As Reasonably Achievable. There is, for instance, no need for any device to transmit with greater power or for a longer period of time than needed for an adequate connection. This is fully in line with the suggestions from the Health Council’s advisory report Prudent precaution. Is more research necessary? There is still very limited information on really long-term effects in humans. Some epidemiological studies have follow-up times of more than 13 years, but with generally few subjects in the highest exposure categories. The latency times for development of the relevant tumours are most likely longer. The Committee therefore considers it important to continue the ongoing cohort studies evaluating the health effects of mobile phone use, in order to provide more conclusive human evidence. The exposure characterization in all currently available studies is very poor. It is therefore very important that ongoing and future studies incorporate more accurate and objective assessment of RF exposure. This is even more important since personal exposure to RF continues to change due to evolving patterns of use and new mobile telecommunication devices. 5.2. The 2016 ANSES Recommendations on exposure to radiofrequency waves. Following a request by the Ministries of Health, Ecology and Consumer Affairs, ANSES conducted an expert assessment on the specific impact of radiofrequency waves on children. The conclusions of this assessment were published in July 2016. Recommendations of the Agency All of the potential health effects of radiofrequency waves, both carcinogenic and otherwise, were studied and their levels of proof classified using a method based on that used by the WHO’s International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC). The conclusions of the risk assessment published in 2013 do not show any proven health effects. Certain publications do however show a possible increase in the long-term risk of brain tumours for intensive users of mobile telephones.

Appendix of excluded studies.

Appendix: Studies excluded from analysis Articles were identified in relevant scientific literature data bases such as PubMed as well as in the specialized database EMF Portal. Further, reference lists of articles were screened for relevant papers. Several studies had to be excluded from further analysis as they did not fulfil quality criteria. In this Appendix, these studies5 are listed and the reasons for exclusion are indicated. The list is divided into cell studies, animal studies, human studies and epidemiological studies.

see at page 99.

  On 7/3/2019 at 12:24 PM, Roger G Lewis said:

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/bem.22165

This is one of the excluded papers, excluded from the swedish report becuase.
Roggeveen et al. (2015a), Roggeveen et al. (2015b) single-blind experiments, no within subject control of time-of-day (experiments were carried out between 9 am and 5 pm), no detailed dosimetric characterisation of exposure (use of a 3G smartphone with SAR information according to the manual: 0.69 W/kg), no clear sham exposure control condition (one of the four consecutive conditions always was a real exposure – “dialling” – condition). There is no information on the control of interference exposure system and recording device (EEG and “Radiation” were recorded simultaneously). Experiments were performed in a nonshielded room. EEG was recorded with shielded electrodes (no specification on how shielding of electrodes was achieved), no information on the reference for EEG recordings (linked mastoids or contralateral ear).

Abstract

By now, the neurophysiological effect of electromagnetic field (EMF) exposure and its underlying regulating mechanisms are not well manifested. In this study, we aimed to investigate whether acute long‐term evolution (LTE) EMF exposure could modulate brain functional connectivity using regional homogeneity (ReHo) method and seed‐based analysis on resting‐state functional magnetic resonance imaging (fMRI). We performed the LTE‐EMF exposure experiment and acquired the resting‐state brain activities before and after EMF exposure. Then we applied ReHo index to characterize the localized functional connectivity and seed‐based method to evaluate the inter‐regional functional connectivity. Statistical comparisons were conducted to identify the possible evidence of brain functional connectivity modulation induced by the acute LTE‐EMF exposure. We found that the acute LTE‐EMF exposure modulated localized intra‐regional connectivity (p < 0.05, AlphaSim corrected, voxel size ≥ 18) and inter‐regional connectivity in some brain regions (p < 0.05, AlphaSim corrected, voxel size ≥ 18). Our results may indicate that the approaches relying on network‐level inferences could provide deeper insight into the acute effect on human functional activity induced by LTE‐EMF exposure. Bioelectromagnetics. 40:42–51, 2019. © 2018 Wiley Periodicals, Inc.

Its obviously a massive field of study and one in which Bump+er stickers simply will not do, This is though by no means a settled question.

  On 7/3/2019 at 12:32 PM, Roger G Lewis said:

https://ehtrust.org/wp-content/uploads/Scientist-5G-appeal-2017.pdf

Scientists warn of potential serious health effects of 5G September 13, 2017 We the undersigned, more than 180 scientists and doctors from 35 countries, recommend a moratorium on the roll-out of the fifth generation, 5G, for telecommunication until potential hazards for human health and the environment have been fully investigated by scientists independent from industry. 5G will substantially increase exposure to radiofrequency electromagnetic fields (RF-EMF) on top of the 2G, 3G, 4G, Wi-Fi, etc. for telecommunications already in place. RF-EMF has been proven to be harmful for humans and the environment. (Note: Blue links below are references.)

Regarding the Conspiracy Theory Snobs. I give you Complots of Mischief.

https://longhairedmusings.wordpress.com/2017/08/17/complots-of-mischief-charles-pidgen-conspiracy-snobbery/

Complots Of Mischief, Charles Pidgen. Conspiracy Snobbery.

 rogerglewis  Uncategorized  August 17, 2017 4 Minutes

Lance De Haven and Charles Pidgen, the next time some intellectual snob dis´s your suggestion that not all that people learn from History Books or NewsPapers is the truth, point them at these two gentlemen.

https://philpapers.org/archive/PIGCOM.pdf

Let us start with History. In the electronic edition of the Collected Works and Correspondence of David Hume39, the word ‘conspiracy’ occurs 191 times (a), the word  ‘conspiracies’, 45 times, the word ‘conspirators’, 70 times, ‘conspirator’, 12 times, ‘conspired’, twice, ‘conspire’, 11 times, ‘conspired’, 23 times, ‘conspird’ (a misspelling of ‘conspired’), twice, ‘conspiring’, 8 times, ‘plot’ 94 times, ‘plots’, 9 times, ‘plotted’ twice, and ‘ploter’ (a rather amusing variant of ‘plotter’), three times. Concentrating on the word ‘conspiracy’, about three come from editors or correspondents such as Lady Hervey, and about ten concern the crazy theory, hatched in the paranoid brain of Jean-Jacques Rousseau, that ‘d’Alembert, Horace Walpole, and [Hume had] entered into a Conspiracy against him to lead him into England, and ruin him, by settling him in a most commodious and agreeable Manner, and by doubling his Income’40. There are four casual uses of ‘conspiracy’ in the Essays and The Natural History of Religion, in which Hume alludes to a historical conspiracy before going on to make some other historical, sociological or philosophical point. For example: ‘That bloody debauchee [the Emperor Commodus] being murdered by a conspiracy suddenly formed between his wench and her gallant, who happened at that time to be Praetorian Praefect; these immediately deliberated about choosing a master to human kind ….’ 41 There are several occurrences of ‘conspiracy’ in Hume’s letters to his fellow historian, William Robertson, in which he discusses (on the basis of state papers, intercepted correspondence and the like) the complicity of Mary, Queen of Scots in various conspiracies against her husband, Lord Darnley, her cousin, Elizabeth I and her son, James VI: ‘I am afraid, that you, as well as myself, have drawn Mary’s character with too great softenings. She was undoubtedly a violent woman at all times. You will see in Murden proofs of the utmost rancour against her innocent, good-natured, dutiful son. She certainly disinherited him. What think you of a conspiracy for kidnapping him, and delivering him a prisoner to the King of Spain, never to recover his liberty till he should turn Catholic?’ 42 However, the vast bulk of the uses of ‘conspiracy’ occur in Hume’s six volume History of England, long regarded as a standard work And in most of these uses Hume is simply recounting in a matter-of –fact way the conspiracies he finds in his sources: ‘A secret conspiracy was entered into to perpetrate in one day a general massacre of the Normans, like that which had formerly been executed upon the Danes..’ (History, vol. 1, p. 195); ‘A conspiracy of his [that is, William II’s] own barons, which was detected at this time, appeared a 40 Greig ed. (1932b) The Letters of David Hume, vol. 2, Letter 358 to Suard, p. 103. 41 Hume David (1985) Essays, Moral Political and Literary, ed. Eugene F. Miller, Indianapolis, Liberty Fund, p. 483, ‘Of the Original Contract’. 42 Greig ed. (1932a) The Letters of David Hume, vol. 1, Letter 162 to Robertson, p. 229

  On 7/3/2019 at 12:35 PM, Gnomicide said:

‘Ere, Rog… no-one’s gonna read that much cut and paste shite.

  On 7/3/2019 at 12:58 PM, eFestivals said:

even he hasn’t read all that shit. He’s found something which agrees with him and that’s good enough. ;)

  On 7/3/2019 at 1:20 PM, frostypaw said:

Cheers Neil! Makes sense.

But yeah this is just spam now fresh account Rog, you’re not actually reading or responding to people anymore.

I love all this BANNED SECRET MATERIAL THAT NOBODY WANTS YOU TO SEE that’s freely available to anyone with youtube and google.

“more than 180 scientists and doctors from 35 countries”

You know what I reckon there are a lot more than 5 scientists and doctors per country. That’s a terrible terrible thing to bring up for your case.

  On 7/4/2019 at 12:32 PM, Roger G Lewis said:

See my profile @frostypaw. I responded to the comments about not commenting, I had filled my quote yesterday.

First They came for the Skeptics?
https://twitter.com/PMotels/status/1146725112177156096

  On 7/4/2019 at 1:01 PM, tumbles said:

A Tommy Robbinson sympathiser.  Lovely.

  On 7/4/2019 at 1:07 PM, Magma said:

Did you join the forum specifically to post this?

This is some organised trolling…

  On 7/4/2019 at 1:10 PM, bombfrog said:

Tommy Robinson love?

Well, this has gone up a gear. You need help mate, serious psychiatric help.

  On 7/4/2019 at 1:13 PM, Magma said:

That’s the best bit. As if it’s not actually harder to avoid this conspiracy crap than get bombarded with it whenever you follow a recommendation on YouTube, read a forum or flick through Facebook. It’s everywhere you look and always available on major platforms.

It’s like NME readers having a go at your music taste for being too mainstream. 😂

  On 7/4/2019 at 1:21 PM, eFestivals said:

no, if 5g is dangerous, its coming for everyone, there’s no escape from it (maybe with a tin foil hat?).

And ‘everyone’ would include millions of engineers around the world, happily killing themselves.

Think about it. :)

  On 7/4/2019 at 1:29 PM, clarkete said:

Indeed, what’s this c*nt doing here at all, surely just to troll?

The provocative comments about the festival, Extinction Rebellion or other posters “I am not making any truth claims regarding 5 g or even about the bona-fides of Glastonbury as a much loved institution of the Liberal elites.”

Shove yer TFH pal and I hope it bloody hurts :D

  On 7/4/2019 at 4:22 PM, frostypaw said:

Not really here buddy. you’re rehashing arguments that have been answered already, ignoring everyone else other than insulting them as idiots if they actually understand what they’re talking about rather than just getting scared and re-sharing your already debunked tripe.

All this stuff you’re passing about relies on you not having paid attention in school. What results did you get in whatever Sweden has instead of GCSEs in Physics and Biology and Maths?

Did you do a degree in any of those subjects?

Do we really need to conduct experiments for you to show you cars don’t run on gravy? Or can we just laugh and say no.

  On 7/4/2019 at 4:26 PM, Roger G Lewis said:
  On 7/4/2019 at 5:10 PM, The Nal said:

The alt right social media addicts just roll it all into one. 5G, Soros, racism, immigrants, Brexit etc. To save time I suppose. Have a scroll through this made scones twitter account. Quite insane.

  On 7/4/2019 at 5:10 PM, eFestivals said:

The fuckwits go for all of the made-up facts. That’s how fucking stupid these people are.

  On 7/4/2019 at 5:13 PM, eFestivals said:

9/11-ism. Whatever happened to that, eh? :lol:

If you watch film from 1975 of the first referendum about the EEC (as it was then), you’ll hear the antis claiming that the EEC is failing and that’s why we shouldn’t join.

How right they are, eh? :lol:

  On 7/4/2019 at 5:54 PM, Roger G Lewis said:

https://www.theweek.co.uk/94464/article-13-are-we-heading-for-mass-internet-censorship

Article 13 is the cause for concern https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-47239600

In the UK the cause for concern is the on line harms act.
One of the problems with both pieces of legislation is that its terms and definitions are imprecisely drawn and as such can be “interpreted” to mean almost anything.

Regarding Brexit, thats something of a curates egg here are my technical posts regarding Brexit which is really something which is determined by how we treat our own democratic mandate in the UK but also how Geo political allegiances play out and whether President Trump is re-elected .
https://longhairedmusings.wordpress.com/2017/02/19/meet-the-fuggers-brexit-the-euro-and-clueless-elites/

It is not hard to find what I think on my blog I post links to all the information upon which I base my own views. I am always very open to the likelihood of being wrong about things and of the likelihood that an adjustment of view will usually be required as new information emerges.

My Main Writing focuses on the Monetary system and issues of direct democracy and also Climatology and Atmospheric Physics and Ocean Chemistry.

  On 7/4/2019 at 6:09 PM, Roger G Lewis said:

That is then fine and dandy for those people, for myself, my own knitting will suffice.

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  On 7/4/2019 at 6:19 PM, eFestivals said:

so no “EU Web censorship”, just your wild imagination and you following fact-free morons on twitter then.

Glad we’ve sorted that one out, at least.

Any other wacky ideas you’re following that I can help you out with? I suspect there is. :)

  On 7/4/2019 at 6:33 PM, eFestivals said:

You share the opinion of the tin-foil-hat brigade, i know.

You’re concerned about non-existent EU censorship, but you’re not concerned about spreading harmful fact-free bollocks.

Isn’t it great that you’ve got your priorities right? :D

  On 7/4/2019 at 6:57 PM, mcshed said:

Roger why on Earth are you still here? The festival is over so there is no more 5G in Pilton, there won’t be again until next June by which point every single major city in the UK will be covered. If you must argue about this stuff isn’t there a better place to do it?

  On 7/4/2019 at 7:12 PM, uscore said:

Of all the stuff you’ve posted, I think this is the thing I believe the least.

  On 7/4/2019 at 7:26 PM, bombfrog said:

Nutters gonna nut.

  On 7/4/2019 at 7:37 PM, tumbles said:

New for Glastonbury 2020 – the rightfield tent

  On 7/4/2019 at 7:39 PM, tumbles said:

..and yet when I mentioned that I have 7 years of academic knowledge on radio, microwave and radar technologies I was apparently wrong to inform people about the negligible effects of non ionising radiation 🙄

  On 7/4/2019 at 8:26 PM, frostypaw said:

I think you’ll find this guy with no qualifications but lots of youtube links knows better buddy. You need the red pill!

  On 7/4/2019 at 9:38 PM, frostypaw said:

What do you reckon the chances are that having had us all bathed in 5G for 5 days or so without our brain egg things frying or turning into lizards they’ll accept maybe they’ve got this wrong?

Or will they just claim it takes months of exposure or some other made up nonsense that now they’re magically sure of despite not mentioning it before something showed their previous nonsense up

  On 7/4/2019 at 11:17 PM, Roger G Lewis said:

Well that sets my mind at rest, thanks, its been an education.

I can rest easy tonight knowing you have all the bases covered and that Theresa May, Mark Sedfield and Olly Robinson will keep the sterling work up whilst we wait for Boris or Jeremy to take over.
Its always warming to find such open minded tolerance in the bosom of my fellow socialist brothers and sisters, Makes you proud so it does.

  On 7/5/2019 at 7:38 AM, Roger G Lewis said:

The States Guide to Trolling the Web, GCHQ and NSA 101

https://www.bitchute.com/video/93bBrBn5Qcdz/

So long and thanks for all the fish.

  On 7/5/2019 at 7:56 AM, eFestivals said:

oh look, it’s another one of those fact-free tweets. :)

Want to tell us all about that “EU military unification”?

And also, perhaps you could explain how-come you don’t consider NATO to be ‘military unification’ when NATO is far-tighter than anything the EU have talked about doing (but haven’t done).

  On 7/5/2019 at 8:00 AM, Roger G Lewis said:

oh, so you’re another of these ‘socialists’ who think racist hateful Fake Tommy is a god…?

No not at all , I think Tommy is a useful idiot in many repsects, On the problem with wahabi salifism though he does have a point and has reaped the establishments wrath because of his making the point effectively.

Regarding 5g, the age old question is Que Bono, who benefits? It is not necessary for the internet of things but has uses in surveillance security mapping in real time. another interesting one is Fracking? or the tidal barrage project in Swansea bay. Whose priorities are being served by 5G is an interesting question, Who’s do you think the 5g roll out serves and similarly those other projects.

  On 7/5/2019 at 8:09 AM, eFestivals said:

Fake Tommy claims all Muslims are the same dangerous just because they’re Muslims. :rolleyes:

Ultimately the customer. :rolleyes:

Because they’ll be no 5g roll-out if the customer doesn’t want it. Corporations invest money on roll-outs to get a return.

It doesn’t need a conspiracy for us customers to be mugs for the new and shiny – and everything of our society is built on that basis.

You might as well be asking “Newton’s theory of gravity, who does it serve”?

  On 7/5/2019 at 8:11 AM, eFestivals said:

There is no “EU military unification”.

I pointed out the fact-free at headline level, which proves there’s no truth to be found by delving deeper. :rolleyes:

  On 7/5/2019 at 11:07 AM, frostypaw said:

If you look at the rate this guy posts here, posts on twitter and posts blogs does anyone actually think he’s entirely real?

“has uses in surveillance security mapping in real time”

Is particularly special – the suggested conspiracy is that you need a certain speed of wifi to be able to use your phone’s camera/microphone to 3d map your surroundings to spy on you.

It’s one of those concepts that’s so cripplingly bonkers and silly you know anyone who repeats it is already so far off the deep end they need rehabilitation and education, not just pointing out they’re wrong.

This isn’t a real thing. These are automated attempts to recruit more into the woo-pool after finding a site that looked like it might have suitable targets.

  On 7/5/2019 at 4:18 PM, paulshane said:

there were lots of other posters by the same people dotted about the site, a Sting ‘tantric sex’ one and some others I totally can’t remember :)

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  On 7/5/2019 at 5:14 PM, Roger G Lewis said:

Hold on there frosty ‘I’m being the conspiracy nut around here .

So who appointed you as the thought crime policeman then?

  On 7/5/2019 at 5:36 PM, Roger G Lewis said:

It will be interesting to read the full judgement when it is released. Also to see what appeal might follow.

  On 7/5/2019 at 5:51 PM, Roger G Lewis said:

Frosty, is that the royal us? It matters not a jot to me what you or (Us), The Royal we or anyone else Thinks or says. I joined an interesting discussion regarding 5G and some people , yourself included have decided that is a sign of Thought crime, tin foil hattery and general weak mindedness.
Arguments against the well documented and linked too material under my own comments outline the information upon which I have formed whatever views I might hold on these subjects, That you may or may not hold a different view to me, troubles me not at all. That you feel troubled by what you consider my wrong think is a shame for you, we or us  but is  of no concern to me.

  On 7/6/2019 at 8:07 AM, Roger G Lewis said:

Frosty, What you term a full rebuttal is perhaps your opinion , others may find that what you have expressed is a different opinion and no more or less than that.

Regarding promptness of responses and sensitivity. Good manners determines that an acknowledgement should follow where requested where replies have obviously crossed in the post ( so to speak) a response would be a matter of taste or common sense. To expect such an acknowledgement immediately after you have shared your pearls of wisdom is perhaps expecting a little to much, and Sometimes no response would be expected or appropriate. For instance I am not expecting any response to this post, I do not require a response but you might choose to respond, that is your choice.

Regarding sensitivities, I can assure you no feathers have been ruffled or Ires have risen in this part of rural Sweden which I choose to call home.

Have a wonderful weekend,

Roger ( Russian Automated Bot, Proud wearer of a tin foil hat and general pedantic nut-job and thought criminal.)

  On 7/6/2019 at 8:14 AM, Roger G Lewis said:

I live in Sweden, we are not members of NATO. Actually I am very bothered by NATO , I think it is a Solution looking for its own problems, a Turkey making up un necessary Christmas’s as it were.

https://longhairedmusings.wordpress.com/2018/05/17/nato-trump-present-geo-political-tensions-sweden-the-swedes-finland-the-finns-the-scandics-and-the-ghost-of-olof-palme/

Nato, Trump Present Geo Political Tensions . Sweden , The Swedes, Finland the Finns The Scandics and the Ghost of Olof Palme?

I Live in Sweden, I visited Finland earlier this year Naturally I have Swedish, Finnish, Norwegian and Danish Friends.
Sweden and Finland have a Joint Treaty whereby each would only enter NATO is the Other also does, that decision would require a referendum in both countries,
The Position is explained very well in this Video.

  On 7/6/2019 at 8:15 AM, eFestivals said:

just because you have an opinion doesn’t give your opinion any validity. :rolleyes:

Being right requires that the facts back up your opinion. Do they? Do they fuck.

Frosty is pointing out that you run away from the facts.

I’ve challenged you on the facts, and you’ve admitted one of your facts is bullshit tho with another you’ve trying stringing it out with more of your fact-free idiot opinions.

  On 7/6/2019 at 8:17 AM, eFestivals said:

fair enough, but your fellow tin-foil-hatters don’t have an issue with NATO. They think it’s a glorious thing.

Meanwhile, the EU army bollocks you’re spouting is just bollocks.

And surely you know that Sweden has a veto that can ensure it never happens?

  On 7/6/2019 at 8:48 AM, Roger G Lewis said:

Facts, Indeed those Stubborn things facts,

https://longhairedmusings.wordpress.com/2017/05/04/authentic-discourses-on-decisions-to-act/

Authentic Discourses on Decisions to Act.
A golden Rule in folklores Canon
holds what’s sauce for the goose is sauce for the Gander
do unto others that which to you would be done
thus applied in discussion, we should always avoid slander.
Leave at the first introduction
the habits of Authority and induction
When those listening seem deaf to what you tell
refrain if you please from poisoning the well
if your working hypothesis requires certitude
refrain from tailoring cloth that renders the emperor nude
If to your point, you wish others to allude
refrain from a hypocritical sneering attitude.
When your correspondent appeals to evidence
consider their sources, were they well meant?
In all matters, skepticism will serve you with equivalence
and always remember to mistrust the Government.
“man müsse das Volk stets in Armuth erhalten, damit es gehorsam bleibe.”(2)
R.Lewis 2017.
  On 7/6/2019 at 8:49 AM, Roger G Lewis said:
  On 7/6/2019 at 9:03 AM, Roger G Lewis said:

One mans Fish is another mans poisson.

  On 7/6/2019 at 11:50 AM, Roger G Lewis said:

A review of this rather long exchange between several parties here would reveal to an interested observer that engagement and polite discourse has emanated from the quarter ( Yours Truly), that has been variously described as, A tin foil hatter, people like you, spouter of bollocks and other pejoratives.
In remaining pleasant and using humour I have sought to keep a dialogue open without responding to the rather un welcoming and censorious attitude of the In group here, (including you if I may say Frosty, old chap). which clearly exists with the Regular participants here , those with post counts in the 1000’s or indeed 10’s of thousands.

I must here point out that I have no intention of engaging to the extent that the more dedicated posters here do, no offence but, I do have things to do upon which I place a higher priority..
Exchanging memes and posting bumper snickered aphorisms seems to me to be a less than serious way to address matters arising about the potential health effects of Micro Wave radiation and wider aspects of surveillance state over reach through the internet of things.

I am for my part perfectly happy with what I have posted and what I have said in the engagement we have had here such as it is. I can only speak for myself but I am happy that I have been given the opportunity to comment without censorship and although an early call was made to close down this discussion the moderators saw fit to keep it open, for which I applaud them.

It is for each of us to take away whatever we wish from this exchange, I take away a positive feeling and I am grateful to concerns raised and reminders given that all information should be checked , rechecked and offered as much critical perspective as possible.

Regarding the technical aspects of all of the questions, I would only add that a discussion thread in even such an august corner of the inter webs as this is not the place to take these matters up, that would be at open public meetings and planning committees and other institutional fora where the powers exist to bring about political action and inquiry. I for myself am sufficiently motivated that should our local commune , here in Sweden our councils are called communes as in France, then I would make appropriate representations including supporting evidence. This Government Funded Swedish web site which I linked to earlier tends to suggest that here in Sweden the finer points of detail and proper oversight of the different aspects, specifications and operating characteristics would be appropriate to the areas the systems were being deployed in.

https://www.stralsakerhetsmyndigheten.se/en/publications/reports/radiation-protection/2019/201908/

  On 7/6/2019 at 12:05 PM, Roger G Lewis said:

What I am saying is what I have said, not what you are tyring to claim that I said , or did. The written Record here in the full thread should anyone be sad enough, motivated enough or even amused enough to go back through what I have Said as commentary to that which I have linked to some of which I have written oin my own blog and other things which I have linked to on my Twitter account .
Now Mr Frosty, forgive me but I am going to enjoy the sunshine , a happy side effect of which is that you as all froist are far from my mind when the temperature rises.

The suin has got its hat on, hip hip hooray.

  On 7/6/2019 at 2:49 PM, Roger G Lewis said:

Deanlol,

Why is it recommended to hold phones away from your ear, using hands free or an ear piece and micro phone.
Are you aware of just how little is known scientifically about Magnetism, electron magnetism and indeed the world of sub atomic particles?

You say read a text book , I am more than happy to read scientific papers, and indeed text books, I regularly follow on line scientific courses

such as this one which I completed several years ago

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This Talk by Eric Dollard is also well worth the three plus hours time I have watched it probaly six or seven times over the years.

This is an annual study produced on the field in Sweden.

https://www.stralsakerhetsmyndigheten.se/contentassets/ea182ee131d049f1b3b1140dd0fbc0f8/201908-recent-research-on-emf-and-health-risk-thirteenth-report-from-ssms-scientific-council-on-electromagnetic-fields-2018.pdf

Deanol, your reasoning of Understand how(a) works and then outcome (b) will prove to be a silly worry isn’t working for me I’m afraid.

A radio( a ) transmitting at or between (x, x-y)  frequencies with body( n )exposed for time period( t ) at distance (m) would have a probability (P) of zero effect then fair enough , one needs to be precise with ones definitions, boundary conditions and measurement tolerances.

  On 7/7/2019 at 12:25 AM, frostypaw said:

He’s way above you with his grade school explanation of how to construct a probability expression, that showed you.

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  On 7/7/2019 at 7:11 AM, Roger G Lewis said:

I am afraid that the low level of information is coming from your sub par level of argumentation Frosty,

As a Keen student myself of Arthur Schopenhauer , I refer you to his Art of being right.(art of controversy)
Your tireless and less than adept adoption of strategem. xiv.

akin to the fallacy non causae ut causae.

http://coolhaus.de/art-of-controversy/

  On 7/7/2019 at 7:27 AM, Roger G Lewis said:

Tumbles, Are you saying I have not engaged with you?

I thought earlier in the thread that claim was made regarding Dereck?

Your own study of Radio communication and Electrical Engineering, or which ever field it was you studied is of course of interest . The specific questions are actually to do with two things.

1. The Extent of potential harm to organic based life ( plants and Mamals/ Insects) through exposure to EMF, radiation .

2. The desirability of 5g regarding consumer experience and future of the Internet of things.

Point 1 relates to what is an acceptable level of exposure and is an area in which it is admitted that very little research has been done and the  The Swedish Radiation Safety Authority  https://www.stralsakerhetsmyndigheten.se/en/about-the-authority/  say this

Need for further research

“Despite the fact that no health risks with weak electromagnetic fields have been established today, the Authority considers that further research is important especially regarding long-term effects especially as the entire population is exposed. One key issue here is to further investigate the possible relationship between radio wave exposure and oxidative stress. Another vital issue is to clarify the association between weak low frequency magnetic fields and childhood leukemia as observed in epidemiological studies.

New technology for inductive wireless energy transfer based on intermediate frequency magnetic fields will probably be implemented for many different applications in the near future. In contrast to wireless information transfer technology, wireless energy transmission in principle always requires relatively strong local fields. This makes it very important to obtain a robust basis for risk assessment of such fields. Today there is a lack of studies in this frequency domain, therefore there is a special need for research here.”

https://www.stralsakerhetsmyndigheten.se/contentassets/ea182ee131d049f1b3b1140dd0fbc0f8/201908-recent-research-on-emf-and-health-risk-thirteenth-report-from-ssms-scientific-council-on-electromagnetic-fields-2018.pdf

This report was posted twice before and is available for general comment perhaps you would like to “engage” with it now?

2. Point 2 is more of a political point regarding the extent to which 5g intrusion should be controllable by the End user or who we might call the surveilled , and the Monitoring service provider who we might call the surveying(Spying).

  On 7/7/2019 at 8:32 AM, mcshed said:

So it’s basic conclusion is there is no risk established at the moment but that because it’s a public health issue research should be on going. Which is reasonable but has absolutely nothing to do with any supposed increased risk with 5G as this is just talking about general exposure to EMF radiation.

It then raises 2 potential issues that where not strong enough to avoid the initial conclusion that there are “NO HEALTH RISKS” but are worthy of further study again with no suggestion that 5G is any worse than any other form of EMF radiation in causing and which again I will labour this point as it comes from your quoted study there are “no health risks”

Finally they raise some concerns about the direction of future technologies, so what do they identify as the potential risk on the horizon? 5G? It has to be 5G that’s what we’re talking about, that’s the big concern, of course it’ll be 5G? NO it isn’t because 5G is harmless. The thing that they are potentially worried about is wireless charging. So why don’t you head off to a McDonald’s forum and start shouting at them for putting wireless chargers in their tables? Before anyone reading this panics about wireless charging I will remind them of the over all conclusion of the report ” NO HEALTH RISKS.”

I have engaged with what you have posted it is nonsense. Now can you tell me in terms as you understand them not linking to other sources but as processed by your brain why you believe 5G to be a significant public health risk?

And why you feel like a small scale pilot at a music festival is more relevent that the large scale roll out of the technology across the country?

  On 7/7/2019 at 9:32 AM, eFestivals said:

… means “there is no evidence that 5g is a danger”.

I’m quite happy for more research btw, but i’m not the person who is pre-judging what further research might discover.

  On 7/7/2019 at 9:46 AM, hfuhruhurr said:

This whole thread is fascinating. We have someone who is absolutely unaware of what they don’t know – they are in the bottom box of the unaware->aware, incapable->capable matrix. The danger is that these people now have a platform (t’internet) to reinforce their beliefs. A positive feedback loop of stupidity. Best case they are harmless fools (flat-earthers), worst case they are trying to manipulate (brexit).

Roger – you’ve created a fantasy room where us sane people can just shout at the walls to no effect. You’ll never learn since you don’t know what’s wrong, that’s ok, but please don’t peddle manipulative lies – because that’s doing countries like ours genuine harm.

  On 7/7/2019 at 10:47 AM, eFestivals said:

unfortunately the likes of him think it’s him saving us from the harm we’re not clever enough to know about, and not the other way around. ;)

And that’s because experts in those many and varied complex knowledge areas know nothing at all compared to read-something-on-the-internet him. 😆

  On 7/7/2019 at 2:39 PM, Roger G Lewis said:

Really if you could hear yourselves.

Your reactions are to what you think I have said to what you project on to me. And not what I have said or linked to.

Its a curious way to interact, but thats your choice an no concern of mine..

Enjoy the rest of the weekend.

  On 7/7/2019 at 2:54 PM, Roger G Lewis said:

And all because, COrporate and State over reach can not exist in eFestival World.

https://longhairedmusings.wordpress.com/2017/01/29/red-lines-settled-science-the-end-of-history-and-entitled-facts-if-truth-were-subject-to-patent-law/

Tolstoy, Leo. What is Art? p. 124 (1899). In The Kingdom of God Is Within You (1893), he similarly declared, “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him.” (ch. 3). Translated from the Russian by Constance Garnett, New York, 1894. Project Gutenberg edition released November 2002. Retrieved 2009-08-24.

A two-decade study of political pundits by Philip E. Tetlock found that, on the whole, their predictions were not much better than chance. Tetlock divided experts into “foxes” who maintained multiple hypotheses, and “hedgehogs” who were more dogmatic. In general, the hedgehogs were much less accurate. Tetlock blamed their failure on confirmation bias—specifically, their inability to make use of new information that contradicted their existing theories.[116]

  On 7/7/2019 at 3:47 PM, eFestivals said:

:rolleyes:

Of course it can.

Meanwhile, bullshitters without facts also exist. Can you give some facts to back up the dangers of 5g? Nope.

So you’re just a bullshitter.

As you don’t seem to get it, wild speculation based only on ‘could’ and ‘might’ is nothing worthwhile. We might get invaded by aliens too.

  On 7/7/2019 at 3:57 PM, Roger G Lewis said:

This post is somewhat perplexing The Swedish metro-logical society document which I have linked to 4 times previously is full of facts.

https://www.stralsakerhetsmyndigheten.se/en/publications/reports/radiation-protection/2019/201908/

Research is on going and it is quite clear from the Tin Foil hat guide linked to above ( for the first time by me) that there are sensible precautions we can all take. Regarding 5g , its a new field and more research is needed, Industry testing is inadequate at this stage and further empirical data will no doubt come forward by ongoing studies.

That’s the Science, Then there’s the Politics of mass surveillance etc.

  On 7/7/2019 at 4:11 PM, Roger G Lewis said:

The semantics you choose are interesting eFestivals.

There are suspected issues and testing will back up or establish boundary conditions. Meanwhile sensible practises can be adopted to minimize the worse risks.
Read the tin foil hat guide it is I think fair as is the Swedish Meteorological society pdf report which is published every year.

https://www.scirp.org/pdf/JBM_2014102816450494.pdf

6. Conclusions and Recommendations Scientific knowledge about the health effects of EMFs is based on a large number of technological, epidemiological, animal and environmental studies. Many outcomes have been examined, but so far no conclusive evidence or connection has been drawn. This is due to overlooking the combined effects of multiple sources and the difficulty of correlating every effect with its cause, and because many of the effects are exhibited in the longterm surpassing the timescale of the technologies that caused them, and rendering any later investigation out of focus.

  On 7/7/2019 at 4:38 PM, Roger G Lewis said:

You seem to be confusing disagreement with refusal to engage, and also seem to imply that discussion without agreement, even agreement to disagree, is some how an impossible outcome on this subject area?

I may well be a moron in your opinion , and you are entitled to it. The evidence , regardless as to how readable my posts are on a  mobile device ( something out of my control on this platform), seems to suggest a curious type of Moron but perhaps in your own lexicon of the moronic it somehow fits me?
” Moron is a term once used in psychology and psychiatry to denote mild intellectual disability.[1] The term was closely tied with the American eugenics movement.[2] Once the term became popularized, it fell out of use by the psychological community, as it was used more commonly as an insult than as a psychological term. It is similar to imbecile and idiot“.[3]

I would concede in a spirit of engagement and even agreement that this level of discourse is an idiotic waste of time.

  On 7/7/2019 at 4:52 PM, Roger G Lewis said:

It is an interesting question, Should the masts have been there? That is why I am here. ( Still)

In the future someone may well ask, Were the masts there in 2019, what on earth were they thinking?

In the future some slick lawyer may even try to argue well there were masts there but they were the right kind of masts and not those bad kind. And how were we to know in any event that there could be such a thing as a bad kind. After all there was no evidence then to suggest that a bad kind existed and that any kind could in any set of circumstances result in any sort of Harm.

I am rather fond of this quote from Edmund Burke.

“It is very rare indeed for men to be wrong in their feelings concerning public misconduct; as rare to be right in their speculation upon the cause of it. I have constantly observed that the generality of people are fifty years, at least, behindhand in their politics. There are but very few who are capable of comparing and digesting what passes before their eyes at different times and occasions, so as to form the whole into a distinct system. But in books everything is settled for them, without the exertion of any considerable diligence or sagacity. For which reason men are wise with but little reflection, and good with little self-denial, in the business of all times except their own. We are very uncorrupt and tolerably enlightened judges of the transactions of past ages; where no passions deceive, and where the whole train of circumstances, from the trifling cause to the tragical event, is set in an orderly series before us. Few are the partisans of departed tyranny; and to be a Whig on the business of a hundred years ago is very consistent with every advantage of present servility. This retrospective wisdom and historical patriotism are things of wonderful convenience, and serve admirably to reconcile the old quarrel between speculation and practice. Many a stern republican, after gorging himself with a full feast of admiration of the Grecian commonwealths and of our true Saxon constitution, and discharging all the splendid bile of his virtuous indignation on King John and King James, sits down perfectly satisfied to the coarsest work and homeliest job of the day he lives in. I believe there was no professed admirer of Henry the Eighth among the instruments of the last King James; nor in the court of Henry the Eighth was there, I dare say, to be found a single advocate for the favourites of Richard the Second.”
https://longhairedmusings.wordpress.com/2017/03/26/on-the-present-discontents-burke-opined-conquest-of-dough/

Such arguments come to court such as cellotex cladding panels on Council Blocks in Kensigton?

  21 hours ago, Roger G Lewis said:

I agree with what you say here completely e-festivals, time will tell and lets hope it was just another storm in a tea cup.

  21 hours ago, Roger G Lewis said:

I prefer me some KLF.

  19 hours ago, Roger G Lewis said:

So where is the Rule book on proper posting oh great Frosty?
Embedded tweets is automated on this platform, You Tube Links appearing in i frames is also automated.

The Fonts etc appear as defaulted from the Platform this Forum uses, so any posting I do is not anything which I am doing improperly all that I post is what is baked into the Cake.

What you object to is my non conformity with your own in-group biases so rigidly held to and your perception that I am a thought criminal without the suitable awe and respect for Sacred Glasto and its corporate sponsors ( well tough luck matey, I really could not give a Donald), frankly frosty you need to lighten up old chap dare I say take a chill pill? ( you see what I did there?)

What you need Frosty is a crash course from the KLF https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mindfuck

I hope that isn’t challenging to many sacred chaos

  18 hours ago, Roger G Lewis said:

Hello Deanol,

Do pay attention at the back,

You can download Poetry and the first chapters of my novel #ConquestofDough at these links.

https://theconquestofdough.weebly.com/the-novel-and-epic-trilogy.html

  18 hours ago, Roger G Lewis said:

You would if you would remove your head from your own backside be able fairly easily find out that I know rater more about Glastonbury , Its community and organisation than you are assuming.

Regarding Formatting, I rely on the platform if your experience is not optimal for you that’s your problem and not mine take it up with the web master.

Just for the sake of information mission creep, forum sliding etc. Here are

The Swedish Metrological society report and the tin foil hat guide again.

https://www.stralsakerhetsmyndigheten.se/en/publications/reports/radiation-protection/2019/201908/

https://www.amazon.com/Non-Tinfoil-Guide-EMFs-Stupid-Technology-ebook/dp/B078KKQW6D

  1 hour ago, Roger G Lewis said:

I award this comment , Comment of the Thread. People should make up their own minds on these matters. Regarding the undoubted extent to which both Pro and Anti crap on any single issue which exists on the internet, I appreciate the concerns of the Tin Foil Hat Paranoia Squad, there is such a thing as too much of a good thing. Here in Sweden there is a Word, “Lagom” which encapsulates the tale of the three bears and porridge at the right Temperature in the right bowl at the right temperature all in one little word. Perhaps its something to do with the Swedish Fetish for Consensus.

These two efforts leave me rather perplexed, What would shutting down this discussion have achieved? Marking out people expressing concerns and asking questions as Cassandras, doubting Thomases or generally feeble minded paranoiacs , seems something of an over rated pass time with real risks of throwing the baby out with the bath water.

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  54 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

 

 

 

  37 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

see the post I just made. :)

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  1 hour ago, eFestivals said:
  42 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

And if you did balanced analysis (you don’t) you should also ask what is achieved by leaving it open.

Are the facts that people are posting here influencing your opinions? Nope.

Are you saying anything worthwhile? Nope, just fact-free bollocks. You might as well be ranting about how we’re about to be attacked by aliens, because there’s the same basis for that fear – nowt.

“hey look, I’m as clever as you,. I can keep posting the same thing too. :rolleyes:

If posting the same empty bollocks is all you’ve got, you need to give it up – cos this is for discussions based on thought, and not cut&pastes based on no-thought.

If you have nothing sensible to contribute, you’ll be treated as all trolls are here”

 

E.Festivals, I happen to think that discourse on the internet is an important thing and I also think that Cultural Institutions such as Glastonbury have a responsibility to set a good example in their discourse.
As a representative of Glastonbury as a moderator on this Forum, either directly or by association I personally think that at times in this discussion your Conduct has been below that which we should be able to expect and demand from one of the UK’s most important popular culture institutions. Sara Shepherd has been a personal friend of mine for over 10 years , and many of the musicians and sound crew at the festival are personal friends of mine as well, I lived in Bristol for several years before moving here to Sweden and the West country is my neck of the woods as it were.

I am fortunate enough to have the time and inclination to write on matters related to free Speech, and my own views whilst critical of the Current political Establishment are borne out of being part of the fabric of the British establishment myself, your sneering attitude to me personally does not matter to me one jot, I have very thick skin and have no concerns regarding being told tales on to an employer or Higher up, appeals to authority do not impress me, never have , never will.

Now my use of this discussion has several purposes and in revealing my “Darker Purposes” or several motives for staying engaged , even among some of the unpleasantness are these.

1, Some excellent material for my current Novel ( Conquest of Dough )

2. A case study on limitations of fora moderation and looking at content management within web 3.
3. 5G is a fascinating lens into the purposes of the Surveillance state with its integration to smart metering, and Artificial Intelligence.
The Masts at Glastonbury are pretty much a gateway drug to some rather more serious Gear you might say.5%G social media bubble gum is really just a wrapping paper or the PR wing for altogether much more profound trends and trajectories in the control of the madness of crowds as it were.

 

Hi Sarah, Thought this discussion on the 5G at Glasto this year was rather interesting.
All the best
Roger

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  1. hfuhruhurr has posted a comment on a topic, 5G @ Glastonbury 2019

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    24 minutes ago, UEF said:
    Utter bollocks believed by morons.

    yep – people form a belief and their ears fall off.

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  2. fred quimby has posted a comment on a topic, 5G @ Glastonbury 2019

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    22 minutes ago, hfuhruhurr said:
    yep – people form a belief and their ears fall off.

    That’ll be the radiation from 5G then

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  3. Posted in 5G @ Glastonbury 2019
    5 hours ago, Roger G Lewis said:
    E.Festivals, I happen to think that discourse on the internet is an important thing and I also think that Cultural Institutions such as Glastonbury have a responsibility to set a good example in their discourse.

    As a representative of Glastonbury as a moderator on this Forum, either directly or by association I personally think that at times in this discussion your Conduct has been below that which we should be able to expect and demand from one of the UK’s most important popular culture institutions.

    He’s not a representative of Glastonbury. He does however own and pay for this forum, that he’s letting you post you stuff on. He could shut you down entirely, ban you, remove your posts. There’s no free speech here – there’s free speech on the internet, you just need to set up your own website. You aren’t guaranteed free speech on other people’s dimes. Yet you’re getting it anyway, no-one is censoring you, they’re just challenging your beliefs.

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    1. My Comments are being actively moderated and the one I made this morning saying so long and thaks for all the fish my work is done here was deleted and not passed through Moderation.

      The Site passes itself off as some sort of official festival site, I would be unhappy if I was involved with Glastonbury to have this forum and its moderation associated with my Festival.

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  4. stuie has posted a comment on a topic, 5G @ Glastonbury 2019

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    18 minutes ago, DareToDibble said:
    What in the fuck is going on here?

    I have no idea what on earth is happening other than my comment about Snake on Nokias being quoted… which I refuse to believe is relevant to anything.

    Same…

    I’ve been quoted along with a million other people… can’t even remember what I said but pretty sure it’s not important.

    This whole thread is ready for the bin.

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    25 minutes ago, Tinfoil Resistance said:
    The Site passes itself off as some sort of official festival site,

    No it doesn’t.

    Go away.

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    25 minutes ago, Tinfoil Resistance said:
    My Comments are being actively moderated and the one I made this morning saying so long and thanks for all the fish my work is done here was deleted and not passed through Moderation.

    The Site passes itself off as some sort of official festival site, I would be unhappy if I was involved with Glastonbury to have this forum and its moderation associated with my Festival.
    https://longhairedmusings.wordpress.com/2019/07/09/5g-at-glastonbury-comedy-gold-for-conquestofdough/comment-page-1/#comment-3537

    can you take your tins , foil and resistance elsewhere ?

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    10 minutes ago, stuie said:
    No it doesn’t.

    Go away.

    2 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:
    can you take your tins , foil and resistance elsewhere ?

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