David Malone Green Party Parliamentary Candidate for Scarborough and Whitby
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What next Green Party? Now the election is over…ish it is surely time to discuss what our priorities should be, how the party is perceived and which of our many concerns we should emphasise in public.
It is difficult to have these discussion because of the implied criticism that comes with suggesting we do something different. But I do have criticisms and do hope we consider doing some things differently.
Under New Labour the GP could and did claim to be a more authentic left wing alternative. But Mr Corbyn has re-occupied the left and we have been left looking a little like Corbyn’s mini-me.
I was disappointed that once again the GP, in its public statements, did not emphasise economics. It was left to Mr Corbyn to speak most forcefully about corporate tax evasion, austerity and the blight of above-the-law banking. It should have been us. If a party does not speak forcefully and centrally about economics, finance and the laws which surround them, then the impression is either they don’t realise how central these things are to governing a country, or they don’t really care because they are more of a pressure group than a real party. Either way it marks them out as a party to vote for in protest but not for governance. I believe this nation needs the GP to be more than party of protest. This nation needs the GP to be a party of governance.
In this election we campaigned most visibly on wanting another Brexit vote, on being pro-immigration/open borders, on wanting a ‘Progressive Alliance’ in order to help Labour defeat the Tories and calling for Proportional Representation. That’s how it came across to me at least.
I would like to suggest as a starting point for discussion that we begin to emphasise that WE UNDERSTAND that stoping environmental disaster costs money. That is why we are a party, the ONLY party, that thinks of the environment and the economy as two sides of the same coin. You cannot save one without reforming the other. AT the moment both are largely controlled by the forces of the Global free market. And THAT is why noting is being done for the environment. If we wish to avoid environmental disaster we MUST regain control over our economy. It MUAST be brought back under democratic control.
No party can deliver on its promises unless it regains control over the nation’s economy. We HAVE to be able to tax as we wish, control our curency as we wish, regulate and prosecute our banks and bring them back under the law, trade as we wish, and have the labour and environmental standards we wish.
All these things can be done and must be done. Some in concert with Europe, some we will have to press ahead with as an example to others.
It would be a radical party that set out clearly that this is what has to happen if any government wishes to be able to actually deliver on any of its election promises.
We have to say loudly and relentlessly that the Tories are not the party who understands economics. We have to say we are the party that understands the economy in the 21st century. We MUST be radically and vocally anti-globalisation.
I hope others will at least consider these ideas worthy of discussion.
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Roger Lewis https://www.theguardian.com/…/true-progressive-alliance…
This sort of School Marm knows best is highly damaging to the credibility of Greens, and the Green Party.
This reminds me of Two under-performing former Goal Scorers Disputing and claiming the Goal that drew the match when Clearly the Arsenal Centre Forward clearly stuck the ball in the back of the net.
A friend of mine Made this observation earlier.Politics, it’s funny old game.
Here’s a different take on what’s going on at the moment.
Football is our national game and lots of people are passionate about it.So I’ll use those terms I’ve seen a lot of people who are confused about people being up on a Labour loss.
Labour have not had a good showing in elections for years, so this election where it was very close,(3%, closer than Brexit) is akin to a 3rd division side getting promotion and getting to the cup final and putting a scare into say Chelsea or Man Utd. Not a win but a fantastic result.Everyone cheering on the team and the manager. what a great job.
On the other hand the Conservatives did very badly. Imagine being top of the league, in the cup, looking to have strong showing in Europe and then mid-season, the manager changes tactics, the team has a string of defeats, out of the cup, out of Europe and in danger of relegation, now reliant on other teams to stay up. If that was your team, as supporters, you would be furious, rightfully so and calling for the manager’s sacking and immediate replacement.
So, that being said, where are all the furious Tory voters baying for the sacking of the PM?
When Greens claim we are the only party who understands or stands up for the Planet, that is demonstrable nonsense and is the language of a Cult, not a political party. The Greens dropped its monetary reform Proposals from 2015 for what was a limp and wooly 2017 manifesto effort.
I think Caroline should resign as should Johnathan they have failed everywhere apart from in Caroline’s own constituency reinforcing the One Trick Pony broken record presentation that the Greens have returned two with the Coronation couple in Charge.
A true progressive alliance would have made Jeremy Corbyn prime minister |…
Roger Lewis The Greens in 2015 had the single most important and Radical Policy ever presented to the British Electorate with the possible exception of the Nationalisation of the Bank of England in 1945.
Check out policy EC661 The Green Party believes that, as the means of exchanging goods and services, the stock of money is a vital common resource which should be managed in the public interest. Yet only 3% of our money supply currently exists in the form of notes and coins issued by the Government or the Bank of England. 97% of the money circulating in the economy takes the form of credit that is created electronically by private banks through the accounting processes they follow when they make loans. for an idea of the full extent of tax payer value of such a policy see.
The Tories Banged on about the Magic Money Tree the whole campaign an open goal which was not open to Lucas to exploit, 2017 manifesto dropped the policy, despite protests from Myself and David Malone.
I posted this in the daily mail earlier.
It is an annoying trite meme, many Politicians do believe it though, 9 out of 10 according to positive money.
What we all need to do is pay more attention to the Much talked about Magic Money Tree. Yes, it is imaginary and it is made up, it lives not at the bottom of the Garden with the Fairies but in the Silicon chips programmed as Merkle Trees. link one for beginners. https://medium.com/…/the-magic-money-tree-exists… A poem for Light relief.http://letthemconfectsweeterlies.blogspot.se/…/the… and the main event for the folk with lots of courage and a strong stomach.http://letthemconfectsweeterlies.blogspot.se/…/neo… Nearly there now Check out What the 1844 Bank Charter Act intended all along.http://positivemoney.org/how…/how-did-we-end-up-here/ And there you go, you now know more than 90% of MPS about the money creation process. Magic Money Trees, haha, now there’s a thing?
The Green party has I think been manoeuvred into the Neo-Liberal Left GateKeeper position, Bartley and Lucas are effectively The Green Party´s Tony Blair. Time for a Change I say.
Roger Lewis http://londongreenleft.blogspot.se/…/after-general…
Daren Price Some have alluded to going to the centre ground. Personally I think this would be wrong as we would then be seen as an eco-liberal party as opposed to eco-socialist. I noticed during the election campaigns no one really touched on the benefit sanctions…See More
David Malone Green Party Parliamentary Candidate for Scarborough and WhitbyAgreed! Save us from the mire of the centre ground. The country does not need another centre ground, reformist party. Please let us not go that way.
Daren Price I joined the greens on the back of an interview Caroline Lucas made saying the greens are an anti capitalist party. I then read the manifesto online & joined the next day. I enjoy being in the greens but I would see moving to the centre as a regressive step. Another centre/neoliberalist party is the last thing we need!! If we can keep working on our national identity, as I feel people still see us as vegetarian tree huggers, then that would greatly help. We can only do this if we equally keep pressing social issues as well as environmental.
David Malone Green Party Parliamentary Candidate for Scarborough and WhitbyDaren Price I agree but strongly feel that neither environment nor social make us an electable party of governance. People need to be convinced not that we have wonderful ideals, but that we know how to run a country. That we know how to run a modern economy. That we know how to control the forces that currently control us.
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Neil Macaskill The centre ground may be crowded but so is the left – plenty of telephone-box sized “socialist” parties out there.
Daren Price Neil Macaskill I agree but we’re one of the biggest and most progressive. If we keep packing punches in debates, eventually people will listen. We just have to be persistent and consistent in our approach. Moving to the centre would be a regressive step I feel.
David Malone Green Party Parliamentary Candidate for Scarborough and WhitbyNeil Macaskill My point is that the political spectrum which really counts from now on and which we have to understand is no longer left and right it is global versus national. I’m not saying left v right is unimportant. Of course it is. But it is not what defines the modern world and certainly does;t give you a focus on the real nature of the powers ranged against us. There are globalists on the left as well as the right. And to me they are just as much of a problem. The Tories and Labour are stuck in left v right and the left certainly doesn’t get the global v national, I don’t think.
Roger Lewis “Neoliberal democracy. Instead of citizens, it produces consumers. Instead of communities, it produces shopping malls. The net result is an atomized society of disengaged individuals who feel demoralized and socially powerless.
In sum, neoliberalism is the immediate and foremost enemy of genuine participatory democracy, not just in the United States but across the planet, and will be for the foreseeable future.”
― Noam Chomsky
“This is the permanent tension that lies at the heart of a capitalist democracy and is exacerbated in times of crisis. In order to ensure the survival of the richest, it is democracy that has to be heavily regulated rather than capitalism.”
― Tariq Ali, The Obama Syndrome: Surrender at Home, War Abroad
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“Technology is a means, not an end, no matter how brilliant it appears. How we use digital technology, exploit it and benefit from it depends on old-fashioned political concepts of how we treat each other: how we approach class, race, gender and war and peace. Nothing has changed in that regard. At present, we are ruled by an extreme version of capitalism called ‘neoliberalism’. Technology in the service of any extremism has a catastrophic history.”
tags: automation, class, neoliberal, neoliberalism, peace, race, technology, unemployment, war
The polarisation in the population is a natural consequence of Neo-Liberalism, it promotes a divide and rule Paradigm both in domestic and foreign policy.
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“Neoliberal democracy. Instead of…
Roger Lewis http://letthemconfectsweeterlies.blogspot.se/…/the…
The Slaying of TINA , “She Who must be obeyed”. Election 2017 UK.
Neoliberalism shifted the political debate into a…
Shyam Ghariial At the end of one of the Actuarial profession talks at the Staple Inn, one of the Resources and Environmental Committee speakers referenced a few books including one that I’m going through at the moment by John Weeks. As a member of the profession, I see the environment being mentioned as being a primary concern although, as an investment consultant, the financial- environmental link can frustratingly often be overlooked (I’m trying to come up with responsible investment guidelines for fixed income mandates at the moment, which is tough).
I don’t know how much the GP engages with financial professionals, but there are groups in our industry (and others – proponents of the steady state economy etc) who are attempting to sway opinion and move towards greener policies (although I feel it is not a primary concern in general due to short termism and fixation on £-returns). Perhaps engagement with (& backing from) those in the City who care about these issues, could provide the GP with a little more clout in the area of economics (I’m not trying to take anything away from those in the GP, particularly you David, who already provided excellent economic analysis and proposals)?
David Malone Green Party Parliamentary Candidate for Scarborough and WhitbyI think such engagement would be brilliant. I for one would make my self available to meet such people whenever and wherever they would like.
Jack Dunwell What do you mean by “democratic control” ?
David Malone Green Party Parliamentary Candidate for Scarborough and WhitbyWhat I mean by ‘democratic control’ is that major decisions about lets say money supply, be ones that are decided by the governemt rather than as it is now, by the private banks. I am not making any starry eyed claim that the government always decides well or that we have a fully functioning democracy. I am claiming that having some democratic control over those making the decisions is better than having non which is how it is as long as it is left to market forces.
Oliver Tooley You make some very good points there.
It is such a broad scope subject its hard to know where to begin.
Alas, so long as Mr Corbyn is at the helm of the Labour ship we are bound to be forced to take a back seat, and in many ways we might be better of…See More
Katherine Horner As a Green party member I think we should adopt a more pressure group position. Instead of this standing down and rolling over for Corbyn like our leadership is advocating. If we spent less time rolling over to the Corbyn gonna save the world fantasy then we might be able to focus on our policies and get them out there. I held my nose and voted for my piss poor labour mp because she only had a majority of 428. I hope now we can just get our policies out there.
Neil Macaskill Speaking as a Labour member I don’t think the Greens should be trying to outflank Labour on the left – it might have worked under Blair but not under Corbyn. There is a need for a strong green voice though in this age of climate change scepticism. The Tories have backslid now Cameron has gone and Labour are not pushing the environmental agenda as much as they should do. But a concern for the environment is not a matter of left or right – some of the earliest environmentalists were conservatives.
Neil Macaskill I suppose you’ll already know the founder of the first “green” party was an ex-Conservative, Tony Whittaker.
Katherine Horner of course your gonna say that your a labour supporter so your gonna say anything to keep people voting labour. So why should Gre