David Malone: Ungarbled (I Hope) Pt.1 A review of My interview of David Malone #GolemXIV #GrubStreetJournal meet @1000frolly 1000FrollyPhD ‏


David Malone: Ungarbled (I Hope) Pt.1



Roger Lewis and David Malone: One Interview To Unite Them All.

First of all, I’d like to introduce the interviewer Roger Lewis (left) who was, to me, most unexpected in his approach, the interview was no love in and he was not afraid to challenge David on the basis of his own views and outlook, for example on Brexit. I only know Roger through the blogosphere and the first surprise to me was his appearance. I’d imagined him as the type who went to bed in a suit and tie and only slightly loosened his collar when the temperature exceeded 35 degrees celsius. Instead I was confronted by a sanitised version of Catweasle! Long flowing locks and moustache, I hope he’ll forgive the Catweasle reference, casual clothes but a razor-sharp mind. There was an obvious chemistry between the two so even in times of disagreement there was no shouting across each other, both were able to make their points informatively.

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This Interview was over two years ago, it was the previous Summer which I spent assisting David with his Leadership bid for the Green Party of England and Wales,

There has been a lot of water flowed under the Ye Olde Pont since then, as they say, and if a week is a long time in politics then the past 4 years has been an Eon, certainly, some sort of warp in space-time or maybe a paradigm shift has occurred.

From my first comment on Davids Blog and since I started reading that Blog after following a reference to it from Sturdy Blog which was a staple of my reading at the time, Davids approach has always been one of encouragement and inspiration.

Steve Finney permalink
April 22, 2011 1:59 pm

Hi there, now you are as angry as myself, the biggest financial scam in history. Great statistical research you have there. You might be interested in checking out David Malone’s blog, author of “The Debt Generation” it is a goldmine of relevant information concerning this subject & others relevant to it. Thank You for your efforts.






I started Blogging more seriously after a discussion on Davids Blog which led to both My Epic Poem Usury Hells Fuel, as well as the MMT Chainsaw man cartoon and another friendship with Wesly Freeberg.

David and I occupy separate sides of the debate on Climate and in Bills blog here I just note what a pleasure it is always to chat with David even when we do not agree.

There was an obvious chemistry between the two so even in times of disagreement there was no shouting across each other, both were able to make their points informatively.

Malone: Ungarbled Pt 2.


Everybody Is Wrong About Everything. (Except Me)

In the next segment David and Roger discuss Neo-Liberalism (NL) which I attempted to do here and here.

The Green Party Climate Change Bit.

On Climate Change and The Spectre of Green Party Stalisnist denier Gulags, I have been busy fighting a rearguard action for quite some time now against a climate of Climate Activist religious topic sliding.




When past predictions of future catastrophic events like ice sheet meltspreading tropical diseases, and forest fragmentation start to become reality while no substantial means to prevent them from happening has ever been implemented, you begin to question the phrase so often bandied about that “it’s never too late.” It was never too late decades ago and we’re still holding out on that hope. Despite any techno-utopian fantasies you hear in the news, economic activity and growth are still linked to CO2 emissions. Until this fundamental truth is dealt with, we’ll all be spinning our wheels and wringing our hands over our continued descent into ecological and societal collapse. Perhaps this is part of the reason I have not blogged recently. As Leonard Nimoy expressed in his last twitter message, I think I’ll try to enjoy the here and now while I’m alive…

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The following is a guest post by commenter BP:


Rupert J Read On The Couch, The Intellectual Alarmist.

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My new paper, a kind of ‘sequel’ to (it’s been published next in the same series as) Jem Bendell’s epochal and massively-influential paper on ‘Deep adaptation’, is out: https://iflas.blogspot.com/…/post-civilisation-iflas-occasi…
Please read/circulate. Thanks. This is perhaps my most-significant yet contribution to the emerging discourse around preparing ourselves to face up to potential climate- and societal- collapse:
IFLAS is pleased that philosopher, Chair of Green House thinktank, and leading member of Extinction Rebellion, Dr Rupert Read has

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Climate Science 1; There is No “Greenhouse Effect”


This video is the first in a series which will outline the scientific reasons why a new null hypothesis of climate change is needed, and what is wrong with the current one, which assumes a 33c surface enhancement from the so-called “Greenhouse Effect” of “Greenhouse Gases”. it will be shown that there is another cause of this surface thermal enhancement, and that the so-called “Greenhouse Gases” cannot be responsible for it. The ‘greenhouse effect’ is where a 33c atmospheric thermal enhancement at the Earth’s surface, is alleged to be caused by a class of gases called ‘greenhouse gases’. I will show, in this series, that the claimed 33c enhancement from those gases does not exist. YouTube Tip: As usual run at Settings; Playback Speed; Times 1.5

References; Holmes, R. I. (2018). Thermal Enhancement on Planetary Bodies and the Relevance of the Molar Mass Version of the Ideal Gas Law to the Null Hypothesis of Climate Change. Earth, 7(3), 107-123.

Climate Science 2; There is No “Extra Warming” to Explain

This the second in my Climate Science series debunking the greenhouse effect. Climate Science 1 revealed that our atmosphere is not like a greenhouse; instead it’s the exact opposite – it’s capable of expansion and convection. Here we explore the science and the climate cycles which the IPCC forgot to mention, and how they are totally controlling all current climate change. We find that there actually is no ‘extra’ warming that we need to invoke a supposed ‘greenhouse effect’ from CO2 or other ‘greenhouse gases’ to fill. Correction to CO2 forcing at 9:42 it is 0.01W/m2 not 0.1W/m2. YouTube Tip: As usual run at Settings; Playback Speed; Times 1.5 References; Shaviv, N. J. (2003). The spiral structure of the Milky Way, cosmic rays, and ice age epochs on Earth. New Astronomy, 8(1), 39-77. Cederlöf, M. (2014). Using seasonal variations to estimate earth’s response to radiative forcing. Shaviv, N. J. (2003). The spiral structure of the Milky Way, cosmic rays, and ice age epochs on Earth. New Astronomy, 8(1), 39-77. 65 million years of climate change (WIKI Commons) 5 million years of climate change (WIKI Commons) Loehle, C. (2007). A 2000-year global temperature reconstruction based on non-treering proxies. Energy & Environment, 18(7), 1049-1058. Usoskin, I. G., Solanki, S., & Kovaltsov, G. (2007). Grand minima and maxima of solar activity: new observational constraints. Astronomy & Astrophysics, 471(1), 301-309. Steinhilber, F., Abreu, J. A., Beer, J., Brunner, I., Christl, M., Fischer, H., . . . McCracken, K. G. (2012). 9,400 years of cosmic radiation and solar activity from ice cores and tree rings. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, 109(16), 5967-5971. Lüdecke, H.-J. (2011). Long-term instrumental and reconstructed temperature records contradict anthropogenic global warming. Energy & Environment, 22(6), 723-745. C-14 record from the USGA Lüdecke, H.-J., Hempelmann, A., & Weiss, C. (2013). Multi-periodic climate dynamics: spectral analysis of long-term instrumental and proxy temperature records. Climate of the Past, 9(1), 447-452. Sromovsky, L., Fry, P., Limaye, S., & Baines, K. (2003). The nature of Neptune’s increasing brightness: Evidence for a seasonal response. Icarus, 163(1), 256-261. Schmude Jr, R. W., Baker, R. E., Fox, J., Krobusek, B. A., Pavlov, H., & Mallama, A. (2016). The secular and rotational brightness variations of Neptune. arXiv preprint arXiv:1604.00518.

Climate Science 3; There is No “Greenhouse Effect” on Venus Either


This the third in my Climate Science series debunking the so-called ‘greenhouse effect’. Climate Science 1 revealed that our atmosphere is not like a greenhouse; instead it’s the exact opposite – it’s capable of expansion and convection. Climate Science 2 explored the science and the climate cycles which the IPCC forgot to mention, and how they are totally controlling all current climate change. We find that there actually is no ‘extra’ warming that we need to invoke a supposed ‘greenhouse effect’ from CO2 or other ‘greenhouse gases’ to fill. Climate Science 3 looks into the claim that Venus is hot because of the ‘greenhouse effect’ of carbon dioxide. The calculation I did for Venus at 11:30 also works out for Titan, (another body with a surface pressure of over 1 bar). I have done it here; Titan Tt =∜0.01089 x Te Tt = 0.323 x 288 Tt = 93 Kelvin This gives the calculated temperature on Titan at 1 bar as 93 Kelvin. Measurements by the lander Huygens in it’s descent trough the Titan atmosphere, show that the temperature at 1 bar is around 90 Kelvin. PLEASE! I did not say that the bottom ~4km of atmosphere of Venus is a ‘liquid’ or a ‘solid’! It is a super-critical fluid. Please read the definition here; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercr… YouTube Tip: As usual run at Settings; Playback Speed; Times 1.5 References; Hollingsworth, J., Young, R., Schubert, G., Covey, C., & Grossman, A. (2007). A simple‐physics global circulation model for Venus: Sensitivity assessments of atmospheric superrotation. Geophysical Research Letters, 34(5). Svedhem, H., Titov, D. V., Taylor, F. W., & Witasse, O. (2007). Venus as a more Earth-like planet. Nature, 450(7170), 629-632. Landis, G., Dyson, R., McGuire, M., Oleson, S., Schmidt, G., Grantier, J., . . . Fincannon, J. (2011). Human Telerobotic Exploration of Venus: A Flexible Path Design Study. Paper presented at the 49th AIAA Aerospace Sciences Meeting including the New Horizons Forum and Aerospace Exposition. Moroz, V., Ekonomov, A., Moshkin, B., Revercomb, H., Sromovsky, L., Schofield, J., . . . Tomasko, M. G. (1985). Solar and thermal radiation in the Venus atmosphere. Advances in Space Research, 5(11), 197-232. Jelbring, H. (2003). The “Greenhouse Effect” as a Function of Atmospheric Mass. Energy & Environment, 14(2), 351-356. Pauli, W. (1988). Exclusion principle, Lorentz group and reflection of space-time and charge Wolfgang Pauli (pp. 459-479): Springer.

Climate Science 4; The Ice CO2 Record is “Probably Wrong” Too.


This the fourth in my Climate Science series debunking the so-called ‘greenhouse effect’. Climate Science 4; The Ice Core Record of CO2 is “Probably Wrong” Too. Climate Science 1 revealed that our atmosphere is not like a greenhouse; instead it’s the exact opposite – it’s capable of expansion and convection. Climate Science 2 explored the science and the climate cycles which the IPCC forgot to mention, and how they are totally controlling all current climate change. We find that there actually is no ‘extra’ warming that we need to invoke a supposed ‘greenhouse effect’ from CO2 or other ‘greenhouse gases’ to fill. Climate Science 3 looked into the claim that Venus is hot because of the ‘greenhouse effect’ of carbon dioxide. Climate Science 4 looks into the ice core record for CO2, and critically examines whether it is correct or not. REFERENCES; UAH MSU satellite temperature graph, 1979-2019 EPICA DOME C ice core record, NOAA Luthi, 2008. Earth System Laboratory, Moana Loa CO2 record, 1958-2019n Petit, J.-R., Jouzel, J., Raynaud, D., Barkov, N. I., Barnola, J.-M., Basile, I., . . . Delaygue, G. (1999). Climate and atmospheric history of the past 420,000 years from the Vostok ice core, Antarctica. Nature, 399(6735), 429-436. Shaviv, N. J., & Veizer, J. (2003). Celestial driver of Phanerozoic climate? GSA today, 13(7), 4-10. IPCC AR5 Synthesis Report 2014 Ciais, P., Sabine, C., Bala, G., Bopp, L., Brovkin, V., Canadell, J., . . . Heimann, M. (2014). Carbon and other biogeochemical cycles Climate Change 2013: The Physical Science Basis. Contribution of Working Group I to the Fifth Assessment Report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (pp. 465-570): Cambridge University Press. Steinthorsdottir, M., Wohlfarth, B., Kylander, M. E., Blaauw, M., & Reimer, P. J. (2013). Stomatal proxy record of CO 2 concentrations from the last termination suggests an important role for CO 2 at climate change transitions. Quaternary science reviews, 68, 43-58. Barnola, J. M., Raynaud, D. Y. S. N., Korotkevich, Y. S., & Lorius, C. (1987). Vostok ice core provides 160,000-year record of atmospheric CO2. Nature, 329(6138), 408. Barnola, J., Anklin, M., Porcheron, J., Raynaud, D., Schwander, J., & Stauffer, B. (1995). CO2 evolution during the last millennium as recorded by Antarctic and Greenland ice. Tellus B, 47(1‐2), 264-272. McKay, C. P., Pollack, J. B., & Courtin, R. (1991). The greenhouse and antigreenhouse effects on Titan. Science, 253(5024), 1118-1121. Jaworowski, Z., Segalstad, T. V., & Ono, N. (1992). Do glaciers tell a true atmospheric CO 2 story? Science of the total environment, 114, 227-284. Kouwenberg, L. L. R. (2004). Application of conifer needles in the reconstruction of Holocene CO2 levels. Liu, Y., Cai, Q., Song, H., An, Z., & Linderholm, H. W. (2011). Amplitudes, rates, periodicities and causes of temperature variations in the past 2485 years and future trends over the central-eastern Tibetan Plateau. Chinese science bulletin, 56(28), 2986-2994. Fonselius, S., Koroleff, F., & WÄRME, K. E. (1956). Carbon dioxide variations in the atmosphere. Tellus, 8(2), 176-183. Slocum, G. (1955). Has the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere changed significantly since the beginning of the twentieth century. Month. Weather Rev, 83, 225-231. Lepori, L., Bussolino, G., Matteoli, E., & Spanedda, A. On the increase of fossil CO2 in the atmosphere. Segalstad, T. V. (1998). Carbon cycle modelling and the residence time of natural and anthropogenic atmospheric CO2. BATE, R.(Ed., 1998): Global Warming, 184-219. Quirk, T. (2009). Sources and sinks of carbon dioxide. Energy & Environment, 20(1), 105-121. Harde, H. (2014). Advanced Two-Layer Climate Model for the Assessment of Global Warming by CO2. Harde, H. (2017). Scrutinizing the carbon cycle and CO 2 residence time in the atmosphere. Global and Planetary Change, 152, 19-26. Lepori, L., Bussolino, G., Matteoli, E., & Spanedda, A. On the increase of fossil CO2 in the atmosphere. Allen, M. R., Barros, V. R., Broome, J., Cramer, W., Christ, R., Church, J. A., . . . Dubash, N. K. (2014). IPCC Fifth Assessment Synthesis Report-Climate Change 2014 Synthesis Report. Essenhigh, R. H. (2009). Potential dependence of global warming on the residence time (RT) in the atmosphere of anthropogenically sourced carbon dioxide. Energy & Fuels, 23(5), 2773-2784. Lüdecke, H.-J., Weiss, C., & Hempelmann, A. (2015). Paleoclimate forcing by the solar De Vries/Suess cycle. Climate of the Past Discussions, 11(1), 279-305. Last Graph; Neff, U., Burns, S., Mangini, A., Mudelsee, M., Fleitmann, D., & Matter, A. (2001). Strong coherence between solar variability and the monsoon in Oman between 9 and 6 ky ago. Nature, 411(6835), 290-293.

Climate Science 5; The IPCC’s Forcing Estimates are Wrong Too

This the fifth in my Climate Science series debunking the so-called ‘greenhouse effect’. Climate Science 5; The IPCCs Forcing Estimates are Wrong Too. REFERENCES; Neyman, J. (1937). X—outline of a theory of statistical estimation based on the classical theory of probability. Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society of London. CMIP5 Models uses 73 and 42 models. Compartison with HadCRUT4 courtesy Ed Hawkins, 2013. Carbon-14 from the US Geological Survey, last 1,000 years. HadCRUT3 data; http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/tem… Scafetta, N. (2010). Empirical evidence for a celestial origin of the climate oscillations and its implications. Journal of Atmospheric and Solar-Terrestrial Physics, 72(13), 951-970. Foukal, P., at al (2006). Variations in solar luminosity and their effect on the Earth’s climate. Nature, 443(7108), 161-166. Svensmark, H. (2007b). Cosmoclimatology: a new theory emerges. Astronomy & Geophysics, 48(1), 1.18-11.24. Aizen, E. M., et al (2016). Abrupt and moderate climate changes in the mid-latitudes of Asia during the Holocene. Journal of glaciology, 62(233), 411-439. Rosenthal, Y., Linsley, B. K., & Oppo, D. W. (2013). Pacific ocean heat content during the past 10,000 years. Science, 342(6158), 617-621. Lüdecke, H.-J. (2011). Long-term instrumental and reconstructed temperature records contradict anthropogenic global warming. Energy & Environment, 22(6), 723-745. Rydval, M., et al. (2017). Reconstructing 800 years of summer temperatures in Scotland from tree rings. Climate Dynamics, 1-24. Zhang, H., at al (2015). Late Holocene climate change and anthropogenic activities in north Xinjiang: Evidence from a peatland archive, the Caotanhu wetland. The Holocene, 25(2), 323-332. Yan, H., et al. (2014). Higher sea surface temperature in the northern South China Sea during the natural warm periods of late Holocene than recent decades. Chinese science bulletin, 59(31), 4115-4122. Orth, R., et al (2016). Did European temperatures in 1540 exceed present-day records? Environmental Research Letters, 11(11), 114021. Kaniewski, D.et al (2011). The medieval climate anomaly and the Little Ice Age in coastal Syria inferred from pollen-derived palaeoclimatic patterns. Global and Planetary Change, 78(3), 178-187. Ladurie, E. L. R., Delibrias, G., & Ladurie, M. L. R. (1975). La forêt de Grindelwald: nouvelles datations. Paper presented at the Annales. Économies, Sociétés, Civilisations. Lamb, H. H. (2013). Climate: Present, Past and Future (Routledge Revivals): Volume 1: Fundamentals and Climate Now (Vol. 1): Routledge. Tozer, C. R., Vance, T. R., Roberts, J. L., Kiem, A. S., Curran, M. A., & Moy, A. D. (2016). An ice core derived 1013-year catchment-scale annual rainfall reconstruction in subtropical eastern Australia. Hydrology and Earth System Sciences, 20(5), 1703. He, Y., Liu, W., Zhao, C., Wang, Z., Wang, H., Liu, Y., . . . Liu, Z. (2013). Solar influenced late Holocene temperature changes Usoskin, I. G., Solanki, S., & Kovaltsov, G. (2007). Grand minima and maxima of solar activity: new observational constraints. Solanki, S. K., Usoskin, I. G., Kromer, B., Schüssler, M., & Beer, J. (2004). Unusual activity of the Sun during recent decades compared to the previous 11,000 years. Nature, 431(7012), 1084-1087. Scafetta, N., & Willson, R. C. (2014). ACRIM total solar irradiance satellite composite validation versus TSI proxy models. Shapiro, A., Schmutz, W., Rozanov, E., Schoell, M., Haberreiter, M., Shapiro, A., & Nyeki, S. (2011). A new approach to the long-term reconstruction of the solar irradiance leads to large historical solar forcing. Astronomy & Astrophysics, 529, A67. Herrera, V. V., Mendoza, B., & Herrera, G. V. (2015). Reconstruction and prediction of the total solar irradiance: Svensmark, H. (2007b). Cosmoclimatology: a new theory emerges. Astronomy & Geophysics, 48(1), 1.18-11.24. Shaviv, N. J. (2008). Using the oceans as a calorimeter to quantify the solar radiative forcing. Journal of Geophysical Research: Space Physics, 113(A11). Neff, U., Burns, S., Mangini, A., Mudelsee, M., Fleitmann, D., & Matter, A. (2001). Strong coherence between solar variability and the monsoon in Oman between 9 and 6 ky ago. Nature, 411(6835), 290-293. Gouretski, V., Kennedy, J., Boyer, T., & Köhl, A. (2012). Consistent near‐surface ocean warming since 1900 in two largely independent observing networks. Lansner, F., & Pedersen, J. O. P. (2018). Temperature trends with reduced impact of ocean air temperature, Energy & Environment Ljungqvist, F. C. (2010). A new reconstruction of temperature variability in the extra-tropical Northern Hemisphere during the last two millennia.


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#153. One for the sceptics


We need to be rather careful about the term “opinion is divided”.

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This is an excellent Paper on the Mathematics of Climate Change and Climate Change Alarmism, Climatology as opposed to Climate Politics,


SCM SA Paper Climate absurdity.jpg



“The impact on the entire field of scientific research is particularly clear and especially
pernicious. No project can be launched, on any subject whatsoever, unless it makes direct
reference to global warming. You want to look at the geology of the Garonne Basin? It is,
after all, an entirely normal and socially useful subject in every respect. Well, your research
will be funded, approved and published only if it mentions the potential for geological
storage of CO2. It is appalling.”

1. This simple calculation clearly demonstrates that there are not enough stations to model
the surface temperature of the globe, and satellites cannot replace surface stations. The
reduction in the number of sensors being used is fundamentally unsound: temperature
varies from one place to another, from one hour to the next, and this natural variability can
be tracked only by a very dense network of sensors. p.16

2. Determining an average temperature for a system as complex as the Earth has no physical
meaning. Unfortunately, this question, fundamental though it is, has never been tackled by
organizations involved in meteorology. For them, the answer is simple: you take all the
sensors and calculate the average! p.23

3. According to the British Met Office, ‗The global average temperature is
the arithmetic mean of the northern hemisphere average and the southern hemisphere
This type of reasoning is being used by all the international bodies, and one might
legitimately question its validity. The thermodynamic mean, for its part, is too complicated
to apply and requires the use of models (with all their limitations and uncertainties).
We might, however, wonder why the arithmetic mean is also being used in areas that are
less well provided with sensors or have very high or very low temperatures. If we content
ourselves with an unweighted arithmetic mean, then areas with the highest density of
sensors are going to be over-represented!
Our conclusion here is very clear:

SCM SA White paper “Global Warming”, 2015/09
– to calculate the arithmetic mean for the entire planet makes no sense and can only
lead to errors;
– you can calculate the arithmetic mean for areas well provided with sensors (Europe
and the US), and compare the values from one year to another. This might provide
information on local climate variation. p.26/27

4. On CO2 Measurement and concentration,
Our conclusion is very clear: the entire methodology used to observe CO2 has to be
overhauled before we can even think about the results that have been obtained by these
observations. The first step is to correctly document the natural variability of CO2
concentrations (what affects them, and how do they manifest?). We must not forget that the
aim here is to make a global assessment of CO2 concentrations in the entire atmosphere.
Let us use a simple comparison to explain this. Let us imagine that we want to document
incidents of sins committed by human beings. Before concluding that ‗we can restrict our
investigations to the areas around cathedrals‘, which would at least have the merit of
simplicity, we would have to find out about the ‗natural‘ variability of sin. Perhaps, in fact,
more sins are committed far away from cathedrals? p.57

5. Cyclones.
3. Critical analysis
In this case, we have been able to obtain raw data and conduct our own analysis, which
clearly demonstrates, contrary to what we are all reading all the time, that there has been
no increase in the number of cyclones over the past 40 years. We have found a slight
increase in the number of Category 4 and 5 cyclones (the strongest), but the numbers are
very small each year, and the increase might simply be due to changes in ‗accounting
A common deception is as follows: you begin by looking at cyclones that reach the US
mainland (the ones that affect people and insurance companies) and you count them. Then
you change the perimeter and include all cyclones in the North Atlantic, including ones that
disperse at sea. Of course, the second group is bigger!
As we said earlier, the statistics presented here cover all cyclones in the North Atlantic. p.67

6. Sea Level Rises.

a. Two kinds of instruments are used:
• Marigraphs, which have been around for 200 years;
• Altimetry satellites, which measure the height of the satellite above the ocean; they
have been around for 20 years, namely Topex/Poseidon (1992), Jason 1 (2001), Jason
2 (2008).
The water level varies naturally:
• Due to the tides (lunar attraction)
• Due to wind and storms
• Due to sea currents
This being so, the estimates provided by marigraphs and satellites can be no more than
averages, if possible over one year or several years, as phenomena such as El Niño affect
the sea level for a year or more. p.68
b. E. Be careful! On Models. ( https://www.bitchute.com/video/dv8avoovsHqr/)
As this issue has taken on a major political dimension, all kinds of statements are made by
absolutely anyone at all. Great care is therefore called for when accepting information.
1. Models
Conclusions based on any kind of model should be disregarded. As the SCM specializes in
building mathematical models, we should also be recognized as competent to criticize them.
Models are useful when attempting to review our knowledge, but they should not be used as
SCM SA White paper “Global Warming”, 2015/09


Critical analysis
The rising sea level is a basic thesis for journalists, to support the doctrine of global
warming. They say, ―Look, the sea is rising, and so we are in danger‖.
It is perfectly true that the sea level is rising, but essentially this is due to the cooling down
of the core of the terrestrial globe which has been taking place gradually for five billion
years. As a result of this contraction, the lighter areas (the oceans) tend to rise up in
relation to the heavier areas (the mountains). This is simply a consequence of buoyancy,
and human beings have nothing to do with it. p.77

That’s Chapter 1 summarised and is sufficient for responding to the Pariah Status proffered upon me by Ron.

I would close only by Pointing interested and critical thinkers at the work of Clive Spash and his Paper The Brave New World of Carbon Trading.





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#153. One for the sceptics. Free Will or Determinism , The Climate Religion Rowsons #Perspectiva

Perspectiva #ClimateCultReligion #DasFeelvia #153. One for the sceptics




Sorry for the typos in my previous post.
Just to wrap up here as I do not wish to just argue with myself.
I had a discussion back in April With the Author and another of his Followers of a 3 part blog post on Watts Up with That. The title of the Posts was as Follows.

Peak Oil, Abiotic Oil & EROEI: Real(ish) Things That Don’t Matter, Part One: Peak Oil
David Middleton / April 22, 2019

Peak Oil, Abiotic Oil & EROEI: Real(ish) Things That Don’t Matter, Part One: Peak Oil

“EROEI is the preferred energy metric for Malthusians, environmental activists, Warmunists and proponents of uneconomic energy sources. Invention of this concept is generally credited to an ecology professor…”

Will give you a flavour, this wing of the Climate debate is I think as useful to the Political project of CO2 Carbon Trading as the Catastrophist Wing, both are fueled by, Polemic, Rhetoric and Emotional bed wetting and dummy spitting Its a Manichean thing and this Roger Pelke Junior Talk at the GWPF is worth watching on that point regarding the Polarised debate and Religous fervour pursued on both sides, parading their Hurt Feelings and needing to repair to their various Churches or Cult HQ,s A bracket into which I would place the Perspectiva, project of Rowson.

I took David Middleton to Task on his Appeals to the Rhetoric and Ad Hominem rather than tackling the substantive issues of Energy-based metrics for Energy investment and Consumption Decisions.

“The unit of account in a Fiat money system is an arbitrary unit basing a unit of account upon an SI Unit of energy makes a great deal of sense if you do not wish to be robbed of your skin in the game by the money laundering Banksters- Sadly the Author of this piece has gone off at half-cock failing to define terms and set boundary conditions. Watch Glassmans talk and slide show and try again-


“Clowns to the left of me Jokers to the Right. Useful idiots for usury everywhere. Watts up With That #LimitstoNouse https://longhairedmusings.wordpress.com/2019/04/25/clowns-to-the-left-of-me-jokers-to-the-right-useful-idiots-for-usury-everywhere-watts-up-with-that-limitstonouse/ The Author lets us all down that insist that empirical evidence must be respected in The Debate about climate. Economics and Political Economy are imprecise pseudo-scientific priesthoods every bit as manufactured and absurd as Micheal Mann and his desperado band of cultist cool-aid hawkers. Steelers Wheel sums it up really. Quite one of the worse articles I have read here. ”


The Exchanges in the discussion are pated into the comments of my own blog pointing at the David Middleton series of articles, the 3 articles and all the comments are worth reading David is a very Knowledgable Oil Industry Engineer,
The point regarding the Role of Debt-based money in the Late Stage Financialised State monopoly Capitalism under which most people are net losers and a vanishingly small percentage are net Gainers, is hard to see There is a very real sense of Peak Ignorance around the current Hiatus we face as the Paradigm shift takes place.
The Shift To what is the question? ultimately ending on a Philosophical note the argument boils down to Determinism or Free Will and Herecletus or Parmenides.

As a Pelagian and a religious man myself, I do not need Rowson’s ethical code to point me in the direction of the Cult of #WrongKindofGreen I stand with Liberty, Free will and bow to no man,



    #1…Greta Thunberg tweet:
    It’s 2019. Can we all now stop saying Climate Change and instead call it what it is: climate breakdown, climate crisis, climate emergency, ecological breakdown, ecological emergency, and ecological breakdown?

    And from Kristin Lin this week:
    #2…The language we use has a real power to influence how we understand our world — and act in it. It’s an idea that Jonathan Rowson, an applied philosopher and chess grandmaster, takes up in this week’s On Being. “Finding the right form and the right reverberation of language really makes a difference in terms of how people feel it,” he says.

    Rowson is the founder of Perspectiva, a research organization developing a framework for thinking about how social change happens. As its tagline, “systems, souls, society,” suggests, Perspectiva is interested in drawing out the relationship and dynamics between individual and collective consciousness — which, Rowson explains, is particularly helpful for thinking about climate change.

    “The crisis of climate change is a crisis of disconnection between the facts and the feelings,” he says. “We know something is true; we don’t feel that it’s true. We don’t live as if it’s true.”

    This disconnection is where language can act as a bridge. And Rowson believes that the right language can change the world. “It changes conversations, which changes cultures, which changes practices.”

    and #3….

    Brian: The disease care model really doesn’t get to the root cause does it, Jason?

    Jason: No. It’s patchwork at best. And fundamentally, actually I think that the biggest disservice we do is that, if the disease care model works at resolving our symptoms, we’re actually bypassing the real work that we need to do, right? So, it’s almost it’s more detrimental if we actually get solutions with the disease care model, because we’re not getting the real solutions. We’re sort of masking over it.

    I think the real opportunity is to understand what the symptoms are so that we can get to the root cause resolution, which always has to do with how we’re living out of alignment. And there’s a lack of congruence with the way we think, the way we feel, and the way that we act in the world, and then in our lifestyle. So, that’s really the opportunity. So, I think we have to sort of change our mindset to go from “Let me get rid of this thing that I’m experiencing” to, “Let me understand this and learn how to really move through it so that it cannot exist.”

    Brian: That’s pretty profound that it’s detrimental, in all likelihood, that we if we get what seems like solutions from the conventional disease care model, folks beware. Because it may seem that’s the case and in fact it is likely not. And that is a great way to segue into my little imagine scenario here which is this, I know in this pretend thing that we call free time that you are a fan of golfing. So—

    Jason: Yeah. I love golf—

    Brian: Okay, good. So, then let’s say that you and I have gone through, I don’t know, nine holes already. You’re beating my butt because I am an absolutely terrible golfer, though I enjoy it. And I figure now is the prime opportunity, Jason, to ask you a big question that I’ve been meaning to ask. So, I say, “Hey Jason, from your area of expertise, what are the three most essential things people must do to look their best, feel their best, and live a long life doing it?” What would your first most essential be?

    Jason: I think, especially in our Western world and the life that we’ve created for ourselves, primarily in U.S. and Canada and UK and this type of thing, I think we have to get moving again. We’ve really created a poor relationship with movement. Most of us sit around all day on a computer working. I mean this is what I do. It’s part of my life as well. This is the modern world we’ve created. So we’ve got to find ways to get moving again and incorporate movement into our life on a more regular basis.

    Worst case scenario, yes, going and doing a 20 to 30-minute workout is great, or going to a yoga class and a cycling class, or whatever it might be. Then that’s all good stuff. But I think we need to change the relationship with movement and figure out a way we can move more. It’s funny. You go into like an airport, you know, you’re flying out somewhere, and you see people riding the escalator, right? And they just have a backpack on or a small bag.

    What’s the reason that they’re riding an escalator? It’s not like you have these big pieces of luggage necessarily. Or even if you have luggage, a lot of times you can actually carry them upstairs, right? A really good way to get exercise. Or you see people taking those people movers that are literally these belts on the on flat ground, and they just stand there while the belt moves them down the terminal. I mean I kind of jokingly point this out because we’ve really just we’re not even aware of some of the things that we’re doing. We’re just sort of getting lazy with our movement.

    So, you know, movement is so profoundly beneficial for the mind and the body that we must incorporate it. And I think the best way to do so is to find the things that you really enjoy and do that do more of that. You know, whether that’s playing with your kids or playing with your pets, going for a walk, it doesn’t really matter. I mean if you love marathons, whatever it is, make sure you enjoy it. A lot of us I see that we’re trying to force movement into our lives, and we don’t really enjoy it. We actually dread it.

    And I think psychologically that’s tough, because you’re creating a situation where a portion of your day you don’t even like. And you’re doing it because—most of the time we’re doing it because we don’t like something about ourselves, whether it’s we don’t have enough muscle, or we have too much fat and we’re trying to get rid of that. Or we’re trying to lower our blood pressure or something we’re trying to do that’s—so we’re trying to counteract something, right?

    And I think if we just include some movement styles that we really enjoy, include more play and more fun in our life, that is profoundly effective. And for those who have physical jobs, a high demand for physical labor in their jobs, that can be a really good thing just because you’re moving a lot. And it’s really funny. As a practitioner when I would run, you know, blood work and hormone panels and microbiome labs and all kinds of different lab work, I found that the people that really moved a lot and did a lot of exercise and enjoyed, it was amazing how many other poor decisions they could make, and exercise surprisingly made up for it.

    and #4…

    Nitric oxide is made by the blood vessels’ lining, or endothelium. The endothelium is exquisitely sensitive to the physical and chemical conditions inside our blood vessels. When the endothelium senses heart-healthy conditions, such as physical activity and low cholesterol, it releases more nitric oxide. And that’s a very good thing. Nitric oxide expands the blood vessels, increasing blood flow and decreasing plaque growth and blood clotting.

    Conversely, when the endothelium senses high cholesterol, high blood pressure, smoking, or emotional distress, it releases less nitric oxide, and atherosclerosis (heart disease) accelerates.

    Penile erection depends on the release of nitric oxide. Viagra and other drugs like it that reduce erectile dysfunction work on the next step of the nitric oxide pathway. Are impotence and atherosclerosis closely related? Absolutely. Any lifestyle no-no that decreases nitric oxide, such as smoking, high blood pressure, and high cholesterol levels, causes both problems.

    Nitroglycerin, which my grandfather took to relieve his chest pain, works by being converted into nitric oxide. In a sense, nitric oxide is the body’s own nitroglycerin. If you had first discovered how nitroglycerin and nitric oxide work, as three Americans (Robert Furchgott, Lewis Ignarro, and Ferid Murad) did, in 1998 you would have won the Nobel Prize for Medicine. Nitric oxide is that important.


    I believe that the notion put forward by Greta Thunberg and Kristin Lin and Jason Prall and the Pritikin Center, that language is important is one essential ingredient in adjusting to the notion that we have passed Peak Prosperity, and then actually living with Peak Prosperity in the rear-view mirror. For example, if we speak of a trip to a conventional doctor as ‘getting my symptoms masked with drugs’, and if we describe a trip to the gym as ‘masking my symptoms with self-flagellation’…then everything changes. If, on the other hand, we go for a brisk walk or use a push mower to mow the lawn and feel the tingle in our fingertips, we can describe to ourself or our companion the evidence of nitric oxide and luxuriate in the knowledge that the body is telling us ‘All is Well’.

    Peak Prosperity means, among other things: peak symptom hiding; peak dysfunctional behavior; and peak mental and physical stressors. This is not to downplay the real stressors that arise out of change…but maybe changing our language changes our thought processes which changes our real-world reactions and eases transitions.

    Don Stewart

    • The ideas behind Climate Communication are deeply Stalinist.
      There are any number of examples of COmmunication and PR experts, not scientists imploring their charges to not mention numbers, people do not understand that stuff.

      Its a short step from avoiding the numbers to defining the boundaries of Wrong Think and setting out the Thought Criminal Gulag.

      Non-Platforming was debated at the Oxford Union Last week
      This is Katie Hopkins against the proposition

      The whole thing is worth watching.

      If one has a Position to set out on any issue political or Scientific or even about the Soccer, The Baseball or Starting prices for the 3.30 at Doncaster, Then set out that position Frankly Don,

      “The crisis of climate change is a crisis of disconnection between the facts and the feelings,” he says. This opening statement is a telling clue to the purpose of this sort of ANti Free speech for the little people Stance. Make your own arguments and stop projecting your own prejudices onto the arguments of others.

      Authentic Discourses on Decisions to Act.
      A golden Rule in folklores Canon
      holds what’s sauce for the goose is sauce for the Gander
      do unto others that which to you would be done
      thus applied in discussion, we should always avoid slander.
      Leave at the first introduction
      the habits of Authority and induction
      When those listening seem deaf to what you tell
      refrain if you please from poisoning the well
      if your working hypothesis requires certitude
      refrain from tailoring cloth that renders the emperor nude
      If to your point, you wish others to allude
      refrain from a hypocritical sneering attitude.
      When your correspondent appeals to evidence
      consider their sources, were they well meant?
      In all matters, skepticism will serve you with equivalence
      and always remember to mistrust the Government.
      “man müsse das Volk stets in Armuth erhalten, damit es gehorsam bleibe.”(2)
      Belloc characterised the reformation as

      ´´a rising of the rich against the poor´´,(1)

      ´and indeed Calvin had written the unfortunate statement:

      ´´The people must always be kept in poverty in order that they remain obedient´´.(2)

      p.198 Lost Science of Money.(1)

  2. @roger lewis
    ‘ clue to the purpose of this sort of ANti Free speech for the little people Stance’

    I looked at the Perspectiva website and saw nothing that looked like censorship. I suspect that when he describes people as knowing but not feeling, he is describing Climate Scientists as well as ordinary people. If Climate Scientists actually felt what is about to happen, would they carry on with Business as Usual?

    As for what is about to happen, a very recent paper from a single MIT professor explored the chemical makeup of the oceans and the previous mass extinctions. The result is a simple model which explains why the mass extinctions occurred when they did. It’a about tipping points, beyond which the collapse becomes basically irreversible (like a canoe approaching the tipping point). The author calculates that we are currently very close to that tipping point.

    Now the Establishment doesn’t want to hear anything about tipping points….the Earth will get a little warmer and probably the Arctic ocean melts and that will expand GDP opportunities in the Arctic and the governments of the US, Canada, and Russia are eagerly looking forward to it. Climate scientists mostly don’t want to hear about tipping points either…James Hansen has described everything as just linearly increasing the odds of warmer weather. The MIT paper says that ‘no, it is not linear, it is abrupt and irreversible’.

    Anybody can rebut the MIT paper and show that the chemical equations are wrong, that the geological record has been misrepresented, and that we actually have nothing to worry about….But don’t hold your breath.

    The point remains…if we actually now ‘know’ that Extinction is where we are headed, can we feel that sufficiently to change our behavior? Because we know behavior results from feelings.

    Don Stewart

    • Don, Catastrophic End Times prophesy is nothing new. It sells newspapers and allows Politicians easy sound bites.
      Regarding Self Evident Truths I like this from the anonymous response to the Publication of the US declaration of Independence penned by Jeremy Bentham,

      “They are about “to assume,” as they tell us, “among the powers of the earth, that equal and separate ( 120 ) station to which” — they have lately discovered — “the laws of Nature, and of Nature’s God entitle them.” What difference these acute legislators suppose between the laws of Nature and of Nature’s God, is more than I can take upon me to determine, or even to guess. If to what they now demand they were entitled by any law of God, they had only to produce that law, and all controversy was at an end. Instead of this, what do they produce? What they call sell-evident truths. “All men,” they tell us, “are created equal.” This rarity is a new discovery; now, for the first time, we learn, that a child, at the moment of his birth, has the same quantity of natural power as the parent, the same quantity of political power as the magistrate”.

      “We know behaviour results from feelings”, do we Don, its a bit more involved than that isn’t it the Ancients gave us The Ring of Gyges, and the 1960’s the invisible man. The Question of Belief and Knowledge and Truth are the intractable and eternal problem of Philosophy.

      Psychologizing the failure of others to agree with our point of view is a terrible turn in modern discourse.

      Greta Thornberry is a modern-day Joan of Arc and no better than any other charlatan. That there is terrible environmental damage being done I do not disagree with, that CO2 is a pollutant or any danger whatsoever is falsified beyond any reasonable doubt, hence the move to legislate the Quackery as state decreed truth.
      We have nothing to fear but the fear and especially the Manufactured fear from the vested interests of State Monopoly Capitalism.

      I am not a fully paid-up member of the Das Feel squad Don, never will be. Produce your evidence and subject your methodology to Falsification by others.
      Feelings, Bar Hum Bug.

  3. @Roger
    You claim, as I understand you:
    *CO2 is not a poison in any sense of that term, and so the MIT study with its geological evidence and chemical equations must be wrong. Probably you would add an addendum claiming that the peer review the paper survived is a sham.
    *How humans make decisions is a matter for Philosophy. I suppose you think that neuroscience has not shed any light on the subject.

    Life is too short to argue with you….Don Stewart

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Hi Tim,
Rather depressing reading in the comments if that sort of thing gets you down.
SEEDS is a part of the solution to the current problem. I personally think, as you know, that Seeds needs to be coupled with an embodied energy index that will then translate to an empirically falsifiable value scale for the pricing of monetary exchanges.

#153. One for the sceptics

1.oil, gas and coal remained, as they are now, the source of fourth-fifths of the energy that we consume.

There is nowhere else to start but at the beginning.

The scientists conclude that further economic damage from a potential bubble burst could be avoided by decarbonising early. “Divestment is a prudential thing to do. We should be carefully looking at where we are investing our money.(1)
(1)ED. This is the key misunderstanding, the whole basis of this analysis should look at Net Energy Surplus over cost of energy extraction, then in a real sense the Sentance , “We should be carefully looking at where we are investing our Energy ( qua, Energy )”, would have money taking the Debt based monetary unit as a referent renders the statement meaningless a per pro-energy capital allocation decisions.

Here is a Graph of World energy use in terms of TerraWatt Hours,

My own analysis and synthesis of the World Debt Money economy and the World Energy

Here is the Final Draft Spreadsheet available to download. ( Work In Progress)
Go to Sheet 3.


Here is my Working Draft spreadsheet for the synthesis of the Energy Production of the world in kilowatt-hours and the Debt Based world Financial economy based upon local dollar parity currency exchange rate basis from the CIA World Fact Book.


Fossil Fuels

Fossil fuels (coal, oil, gas) have, and continue to, play a dominant role in global energy systems. Fossil energy was a fundamental driver of the Industrial Revolution and the technological, social, economic and development progress which has followed. Energy has played a strongly positive role in global change.
2. Starting assumption.
In short, in a purely hypothetical situation in which it could be proved that the environmental activists were wrong, there’d be a huge collective sigh of relief, from government, business and the general public alike. Few people, after all, really like change and disruption.

3. Money, then, acts simply as a claim on the products of an economy which, itself, is an energy system.

Money is the nothing you get for something before you can get anything Soddy.


4.This divides the aggregate of available energy into two streams – the energy which has to be consumed in providing a continuity of energy supply, and the remaining (“surplus”) energy which powers all other economic activity.

Energy is an input that transforms other inputs or fuels other input streams. Those other streams cam me measured in some unit which should not be a variable, Wes Freeberg proposes Quanta in his big apple plan. The current Ruling financial Elite seems to want to base a unit upon Carbon emissions credits. ( See Spash for the shortcomings in this plan.)

5.We are, in short, stuck with monetary adventurism until it reaches its point of termination.

The process can be seen as not letting a good crisis go to waste or a planned centralisation of economic forces in accordance with UN Agenda 21 and 2030, or the Brandt report.

Shubick says this.

”The monetary and financial system of an economy are part of the socio-politico-economic control mechanism used by every state to connect the economy with the polity and society. This neural network provides the administrative means to collect taxes, direct investment, provide public goods, trade. The money measures provide a crude but serviceable basis for the accounting system which in turn, along with the codification of commercial law and financial regulation are the basis for economic evaluation and the measurement of trust and fiduciary responsibility among the economic agents. A central feature of a control mechanism is that it is designed to influence process. Dynamics is its natural domain. Equilibrium is not the prime concern, the ability to control the direction of motion is what counts.

6.The process which links rising ECoE to falling prosperity is illustrated in figs. 2 and 3. In America, prosperity per person turned down when ECoE hit 5.5%, whereas the weaker British economy started to deteriorate at an ECoE of just 3.4%.

Fig. 2 & 3.

EcoE & prosp US UK

World average prosperity per capita has declined only marginally since 2007, essentially because deterioration in the West has been offset by continued progress in the emerging market (EM) economies. This, though, is nearing its point of inflexion, with clear evidence now showing that the Chinese economy, in particular, is in very big trouble.

This is no more or less than a managed process towards a new Feudalism, a race to the bottom where the metric is relative levels of absolute poverty in the precariat. Prosperity is a redundant metric for the new Feudalism in the MMT Green new deal Gulag. The metrics will be utilitarian which will be similar to any metric used in concentration camps or slave colonies for Egyptian pyramid projects. What is the minimal sustenance budget for each economic human labour unit, what is the natural replacement rate and what level of control is required within the Pareto efficient distribution of Human labour unit classification? Think Brave new world and 1984.

7. Hidden behind increasingly desperate (and dangerous) financial manipulation, the world as a whole has been getting poorer since ECoE hit 5.5% in 2007. As more of the EM economies hit the “downturn zone” (ECoEs of 8-10%), the so-far-gradual impoverishment of the average person worldwide can be expected to accelerate.

  1. Who is your Average person worldwide? With Political Mathematics ( Statistics) it is important to define terms. Who is your constituency, Tim? Who are Agenda 21 and 2030 designed to raise up and at whose expense?



CALVIN SAID Belloc characterised the Reformation as

´´a rising of the rich against the poor´´,

´and indeed Calvin had written the unfortunate statement:

´´The people must always be kept in poverty in order that they remain obedient´´.

8.This calls for a thoroughgoing review of energy policy, and it seems bizarre that a system which can provide financial support for the banking system cannot do the same for the far more important matter of energy.

A healthy Dose of Bucky Fullmeister is what is needed vis the Production function for modern Industry and Industrial Agriculture also a look back into the concepts of Localism and Subsidiarity.

GFC2, Ephemeralisation, Doing More With Less. Bucky Fullmeister and Circular Economy.
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#128: GFC II



Ross Perot passed away the other day. NAFTA and the new Trade Deal obsession should be added as a lens through which to see the trajectory and direction of motion here, I believe the Words of  FDR   “We have nothing to fear but fear itself”.

Who is right, Sandy or me?

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Why “Incremental Change” Is Worse Than No Change At All

Another reason why the so-called “centrists” pose such a grave threat to our world is because their platform of slow, moderate, incremental change is actually worse than no change at all.

Why “Incremental Change” Is Worse Than No Change At All

I would argue with your premise on the basis that it is predicated on a Change to something Else which, it is assumed will provide an improvement. Unless of course, you are saying a change to something far worse, is better than no change at all.

By Calling the Neo-Liberal Washington Consensus view, ( Centrist). I think you do another disservice to the required level of political consciousness-raising required to get the ( Excluded Middle, Silent Majority, Precariat) to move to action through the Ballot box from the local level up.

Chesterton’s fence is the principle that reforms should not be made until the reasoning behind the existing state of affairs is understood. The quotation is from G. K. Chesterton’s 1929 book The Thing, in the chapter entitled “The Drift from Domesticity”:

Chestertons fence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Chesterton%27s_fence

In the matter of reforming things, as distinct from deforming them, there is one plain and simple principle; a principle which will probably be called a paradox. There exists in such a case a certain institution or law; let us say, for the sake of simplicity, a fence or gate erected across a road. The more modern type of reformer goes gaily up to it and says, “I don’t see the use of this; let us clear it away.” To which the more intelligent type of reformer will do well to answer: “If you don’t see the use of it, I certainly won’t let you clear it away. Go away and think. Then, when you can come back and tell me that you do see the use of it, I may allow you to destroy it.”[1]

Chesterton’s admonition should first be understood within his own historical context, as a response to certain socialists and reformers of his time (e.g. George Bernard Shaw).

As usual, you make a large assumption regarding “The Settled Science” this is an issue for Environmentalists such as myself, and # WrongKindofGreen, in that the envisioned something else in the Green New Deal and Modern Monetary Theory is Authoritarian Command and Control Based. In yesterday article you put it this way.

Clive Lord is a founder member and current Member of the Green Party of England and Wales, Two recent blog posts of Clives deserve attention on this point.

07/07/2019 · by Clive Lord


I listened to the founder members explaining the MIT report Limits to Growth. The gist was that although economic growth had given us the modern world, it had to stop, before it trashed the ecosphere. I agreed with every word.

But I had a discussion with one of the founders before I left, which went as follows:

Me: You are proposing a recession, possibly deep, and possibly long term. Recessions produce hardship. What if people riot because of shortages?

Founder Member: We shall call it a steady-state economy. But if necessary, Martial Law. You have just come 100 miles to agree with us, right? So do you agree that if we have to shoot a few people in the street to get through the transition, that will be rather less nasty than what will happen if we do nothing? If you have a better idea, you had better come up with it fast.

and this one just yesterday.

14/07/2019 · by Clive Lord · Bookmark the permalink. ·
Sandy Irvine tells me I am wrong, and he is one of a chorus who cannot see how the universal basic income (UBI) could have forestalled ecological meltdown, and even now could ameliorate the worst effects. Why pick on Sandy? he is the only one who takes me seriously enough to ask me to shut up.

I do have some support – thank you Roger Lewis – but none from anyone with a media presence. I have a narrative, which to my unusual brain remains sound, and questions which Sandy has not answered to my satisfaction.

This has suddenly become urgent, as next Tuesday (I write on Sunday) I shall try to convince a Citizens’ Assembly of the case for the UBI, as part of an XR action in central Leeds. Do I have a crucial insight, or am I suffering from a psychotic delusion?

Mainstream “Centrists” Pose The Greatest Ideological Threat To Us All

“A movement towards true health will look like everyone waking up to the reality that we’re all being driven toward extinction via climate collapse or nuclear war by a ruling class who used propaganda to trick us into thinking that its suicidal trajectory was the moderate path. Obviously, when we create our new model we won’t all agree with each other about the best direction to take it, but we’ve got to overhaul the old one first.”
“Extinction via Climate Collapse “, This Statement is much weaker this one “Or Nuclear War” The New Cold War which is uncomfortably close to the perpetual war in 1984 described by Orwell in 1984, between, Oceania, Eurasia and East Asia.

SO Caitlan I say this to Both You and My friend, Clive Lord.
You are both right and both wrong depending on your Starting assumptions its a question of double hermeneutics.


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Guilt of anti-semitism now needs no evidence By Jonathan Cook

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A brilliant Article.
Your last article was criticised on the Slog the other day.
If you read this comment It would be very good to have your side of the story.
John Ward at the slog I count as a friend, but he and I disagree regarding Jeremy Corbyn and Labour anti-Semitism,
I agree with your position Jonathan.
ANALYSIS: the simple reasons why Jeremy Corbyn will never be Prime Minister

An opinion circle I value highly yesterday sent me an article about Jeremy Corbyn written by Jonathon Cook. It purports to suggest credibly that there is an organised neocon conspiracy to ensure Mr Corbyn never gains power in Britain.

July 5, 2019 at 6:38 pm
This from Cook in 2017 was I thought, very good.

Why Corbyn so terrifies the Guardian

That the Establishment nobles those of who it feels are too uppity or of the wrong stuff is hardly controversial.

The Judgement in the Tommy Robinson case today is I think far more important than what becomes of Jeremy Corbyn. The Establishment is driving us hard at a Totalitarian Fascist State, the only difference between any of them is Oceana or Eurasia. I personally think Corbyn and Mc Donnel are all part of the same club in a strange way but shunned by the two main Eurasia and Oceana factions.

The New Chartists, Harrogate agenda Crowd and 17.4 movements all have the right idea.

Journal of Integral Theory and Practice. Notes for Contextual Search engine offering Integral Framework perspectives. Grub Street Journal Note 1. #ObjectiveKhunts


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Notes for Contextual Search engine offering Integral Framework perspectives.

Guide for the Perplexed, Contradiction.

 A sort of Guide for the perplexed.
News feeds in the corporate media have become esoteric these days and consulting Maimonides is not such a bad idea.


Introductory Remarks. [ON METHOD] THERE are seven causes of inconsistencies and contradictions to be met within a literary work.

The first cause arises from the fact that the author collects the opinions of various men, each differing from the other, but neglects to mention the name of the author of any particular opinion. In such a work contradictions or inconsistencies must occur, since any two statements may belong to two different authors.

Second cause: The author holds at first one opinion which he subsequently rejects: in his work., however, both his original and altered views are retained.

Third cause: The passages in question are not all to be taken literally: some only are to be understood in their literal sense, while in others figurative language is employed, which includes another meaning besides the literal one: or, in the apparently inconsistent passages, figurative language is employed which, if taken literally, would seem to be contradictories or contraries.

Fourth cause: The premises are not identical in both statements, but for certain reasons they are not fully stated in these passages: or two propositions with different subjects which are expressed by the same term without having the difference in meaning pointed out, occur in two passages. The contradiction is therefore only apparent, but there is no contradiction in reality.

The fifth cause is traceable to the use of a certain method adopted in teaching and expounding profound problems. Namely, a difficult and obscure theorem must sometimes be mentioned and assumed as known, for the illustration of some elementary and intelligible subject which must be taught beforehand the commencement being always made with the easier thing. The teacher must therefore facilitate, in any manner which he can devise, the explanation of those theorems, which have to be assumed as known, and he must content himself with giving a general though somewhat inaccurate notion on the subject. It is, for the present, explained according to the capacity of the students, that they may comprehend it as far as they are required to understand the subject. Later on, the same subject is thoroughly treated and fully developed in its right place.

Sixth cause: The contradiction is not apparent, and only becomes evident through a series of premises. The larger the number of premises necessary to prove the contradiction between the two conclusions, the greater is the chance that it will escape detection, and that the author will not perceive his own inconsistency. Only when from each conclusion, by means of suitable premises, an inference is made, and from the enunciation thus inferred, by means of proper arguments, other conclusions are formed, and after that process has been repeated many times, then it becomes clear that the original conclusions are contradictories or contraries. Even able writers are liable to overlook such inconsistencies. If, however, the contradiction between the original statements can at once be discovered, and the author, while writing the second, does not think of the first, he evinces a greater deficiency, and his words deserve no notice whatever.

Seventh cause: It is sometimes necessary to introduce such metaphysical matter as may partly be disclosed, but must partly be concealed: while, therefore, on one occasion the object which the author has in view may demand that the metaphysical problem be treated as solved in one way, it may be convenient on another occasion to treat it as solved in the opposite way. The author must endeavour, by concealing the fact as much as possible, to prevent the uneducated reader from perceiving the contradiction.

Jain Many SidedNess

Anekāntavāda (Sanskritअनेकान्तवाद, “many-sidedness”) refers to the Jain doctrine about metaphysical truths that emerged in ancient India.[1] It states that the ultimate truth and reality is complex and has multiple aspects.[2] Anekantavada has also been interpreted to mean non-absolutism, “intellectual Ahimsa”,[3] religious pluralism,[4] as well as a rejection of fanaticism that leads to terror attacks and mass violence.[5] Some scholars state that modern revisionism has attempted to reinterpret anekantavada with religious tolerance, openmindedness and pluralism.[6][7]

  1. Affirmation: syād-asti—in some ways, it is,
  2. Denial: syān-nāsti—in some ways, it is not,
  3. Joint but successive affirmation and denial: syād-asti-nāsti—in some ways, it is, and it is not,
  4. Joint and simultaneous affirmation and denial: syād-asti-avaktavyaḥ—in some ways, it is, and it is indescribable,
  5. Joint and simultaneous affirmation and denial: syān-nāsti-avaktavyaḥ—in some ways, it is not, and it is indescribable,
  6. Joint and simultaneous affirmation and denial: syād-asti-nāsti-avaktavyaḥ—in some ways, it is, it is not, and it is indescribable,
  7. Joint and simultaneous affirmation and denial: syād-avaktavyaḥ—in some ways, it is indescribable.



AQUAL Integral Approach


Main article: Holon (philosophy)

Holons are the individual building blocks of Wilber’s model. Wilber borrowed the concept of holons from Arthur Koestler‘s description of the great chain of being, a mediaeval description of levels of being. “Holon” means that every entity and concept is both an entity on its own, and a hierarchical part of a larger whole. For example, a cell in an organism is both a whole as a cell, and at the same time a part of another whole, the organism. Likewise a letter is a self-existing entity and simultaneously an integral part of a word, which then is part of a sentence, which is part of a paragraph, which is part of a page; and so on. Everything from quarks to matter to energy to ideas can be looked at in this way. The relation between individuals and society is not the same as between cells and organisms though, because individual holons can be members but not parts of social holons.[26]

In his book Sex, Ecology, Spirituality: The Spirit of Evolution, Wilber outlines twenty fundamental properties, called “tenets”, that characterize all holons.[27] For example, they must be able to maintain their “wholeness” and also their “part-ness;” a holon that cannot maintain its wholeness will cease to exist and will break up into its constituent parts.

Holons form natural “holarchies“, like Russian dolls, where a whole is a part of another whole, in turn part of another whole, and so on.


Each holon can be seen from within (subjective, interior perspective) and from the outside (objective, exterior perspective), and from an individual or a collective perspective.[28]

Each of the four approaches has a valid perspective to offer. The subjective emotional pain of a person who suffers a tragedy is one perspective; the social statistics about such tragedies are different perspectives on the same matter. According to Wilber all are needed for real appreciation of a matter.

Wilber uses this grid to categorize the perspectives of various theories and scholars, for example:

  • Interior individual perspective (upper-left quadrant) include Freudian psychoanalysis, which interprets people’s interior experiences and focuses on “I”
  • Interior plural perspective (lower-left) include Gadamer‘s philosophical hermeneutics which seeks to interpret the collective consciousness of a society, or plurality of people and focuses on “We”
  • Exterior individual perspective (upper-right) include B. F. Skinner‘s behaviorism, which limits itself to the observation of the behavior of organisms and treats the internal experience, decision making or volition of the subject as a black box, and which with the fourth perspective emphasizes the subject as a specimen to examine, or “It”.
  • Exterior plural perspective (lower-right) include Marxist economic theory which focuses upon the behavior of a society (i.e. a plurality of people) as functional entities seen from outside, e.g. “They”.

According to Wilber, all four perspectives offer complementary, rather than contradictory, perspectives. It is possible for all to be correct, and all are necessary for a complete account of human existence. According to Wilber, each by itself offers only a partial view of reality.

According to Wilber modern western society has a pathological focus on the exterior or objective perspective. Such perspectives value that which can be externally measured and tested in a laboratory, but tend to deny or marginalize the left sides (subjectivity, individual experience, feelings, values) as unproven or having no meaning. Wilber identifies this as a fundamental cause of society’s malaise, and names the situation resulting from such perspectives, “flatland”.


  1. Jump up to:a b Piaget‘s theory of cognitive development,[29] Kohlberg‘s stages of moral developmentErikson‘s stages of psychosocial development, and Jane Loevinger‘s stages of ego development.
  2. ^ This interpretation is at odds with structural stage theory, which posits an overall follow-up of stages, instead of variations over several domains.
  3. ^ This too is wildly at odds with structural stage theory, but in line with Wilber’s philosophical idealism, which sees the phenomenal world as a concretisation, or immanation, of a “higher,” transcendental reality, which can be “realized” in “religious experience.”
  4. ^ The Madhyamaka Two Truths Doctrine discerns two epistemological truths, namely conventional and ultimate. Conventional truth is the truth of phenomenal appearances and causal relations, our daily common-sense world. Ultimate truth is the recognition that no-“thing” exists inherently; every”thing” is empty, sunyata of an unchanging “essence.” It also means that there is no unchanging transcendental reality underlying phenomenal existence. “Formless awareness” belongs to another strand of Indian thinking, namely Advaita and Buddha-nature, which are ontological approaches, and do posit such a transcendental, unchanging reality, namely “awareness” or “consciousness.” Wilber seems to be mixing, or confusing, these two different approaches freely, in his attempt to integrate “everything” into one conceptual scheme.
  5. ^ For example:
  6. ^ Note that Wilber presents Aurobindo’s level of Being as developmental stages, whereas Aurobindo describes higher development as a Triple Transformation, which includes “psychicisation” (Wilber’s psychic stage), the turn inward and the discovery of the psychic being; spiritualisation, the transformation of the lower being through the realisation of the psychic being, and involves the Higher Mind; and “supramentalisation,” the realisation of Supermind, itself the intermediary between Spirit or Satcitananda and creation. A correct table would include Aurobindo’s Triple Transformation and the Three Beings:

    Comparison of the models of Wilber and Aurobindo; differentiating between Aurobindo’s levels of being and Aurobindo’s developmental stages.

  7. ^ In his book Integral Spirituality, Wilber identifies a few varieties of states:
    • The three daily cycling natural states: waking, dreaming, and sleeping.
    • Penomenal states such as bodily sensations, emotions, mental ideas, memories, or inspirations, or from exterior sources such as our sensorimotor inputs, seeing, hearing, touching, smelling, tasting.
    • Altered states, is divided into two groups:
    • Exogenous or induced states: psychedelic and other drug-induced states; hypnosis and hypnotherapy; psycho-therapeutic techniques; gestalt therapypsychodramavoice dialoguetechniques; biofeedback states; forms of guided imagery;
    • Endogenous or trained states: performance enhancement techniques in sports therapy; meditative training which work on calming, relaxation, equanimity states; and mental imaging and visualization such as tonglen meditation.
    • Some techniques, such as Neuro-linguistic Programming, work with both endogenous and exogenous types.
    • Spontaneous or peak states: unintentional or unexpected shifts of awareness from gross to subtle or causal states of consciousness.[36]


Upper-Left (UL)

Interior Individual

e.g. Freud

Upper-Right (UR)

Exterior Individual

e.g. Skinner

Lower-Left (LL)

Interior Collective

e.g. Gadamer

Lower-Right (LR)

Exterior Collective

e.g. Marx


THE SUNDAY ESSAY: trying to make sense of it all



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Talking with Tilbrook. The Meat and Potatoes #JudicialReview #UKHasLeftTheEU #EnglishDemocrats #TheNextPM #JudgesToRuleIfUKHas already left the EU #BorisasPM could Concede The Case #NoDeal #BrexitBombshells

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An Excellent Look at The English Democrats Judicial Review of The Brextension. The Case has been Made that The UK left on 29th March.

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The Meat and Potatoes of How Boris could keep to the decision of the British electorate to leave the EU.

The three most important #NoDeal #Brexit Bombshells contained within the interview

  • The new prime minister could exit the EU immiediately (technically on the 29th of March) merely by conceding Robin Tilbrook’s case in the high court.
  • ‘A couple’ of the Conservative leadership candidates have discussed just this with Robin.
  • If Scotland voted for independence it would bring the United Kingdom and Northern Ireland out of the EU, as the United Kingdom would no longer exist.


Conceding #RobinTilbrooks case


Parliament, the Cabinet, the civil service and the judiciary would have no recourse and no power to prevent this. There could be no legal challenge and no delay, it would mean that we were already out of the EU without a deal thereby saving £40 billion pounds, and also gaining roughly £25 billion per annum tarif revenue which currently goes to Juncker’s brandy fund.

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